00:00:00.000 hello everyone and welcome to the CHP 00:00:02.54000:00:02.550 partnership webinar on CHP as a boiler 00:00:05.84000:00:05.850 replacement opportunity it's my pleasure 00:00:08.48000:00:08.490 to welcome you today and we have a 00:00:11.45000:00:11.460 number of really expert speakers that 00:00:14.27000:00:14.280 will share their experiences with you 00:00:15.98000:00:15.990 and hopefully you'll have a lot of 00:00:17.12000:00:17.130 questions for them and so we'll use that 00:00:19.70000:00:19.710 time at the end to cover that so let me 00:00:21.95000:00:21.960 just do a brief round of introductions 00:00:23.12000:00:23.130 so our first speaker will be jaehwi 00:00:26.17900:00:26.189 who's a professional engineer with 00:00:29.39000:00:29.400 business development director at Worley 00:00:31.27900:00:31.289 Parsons and he'll bring from the project 00:00:34.54900:00:34.559 development perspective and then we have 00:00:36.79900:00:36.809 some facility operators that will be 00:00:39.17000:00:39.180 joining us from Penn State University 00:00:41.78000:00:41.790 Paul Moser superintendent of steam 00:00:43.85000:00:43.860 services and Laura Miller who's senior 00:00:46.49000:00:46.500 energy engineer and so they'll be 00:00:48.52900:00:48.539 sharing their experiences actually with 00:00:51.08000:00:51.090 two systems one that's been put in and 00:00:52.93900:00:52.949 one that's in the works and then like I 00:00:56.20900:00:56.219 said we'll have a question-and-answer 00:00:57.52900:00:57.539 session moderated by my pop Seidner so 00:01:02.02900:01:02.039 first a couple words of introduction I 00:01:03.92000:01:03.930 think a lot of you are probably already 00:01:04.85000:01:04.860 familiar with the EPA CHP partnership 00:01:07.46000:01:07.470 but perhaps you're not familiar with 00:01:09.89000:01:09.900 what we're doing lately so we are a 00:01:12.20000:01:12.210 voluntary program that focuses on 00:01:14.21000:01:14.220 promoting CHP as a highly efficient way 00:01:17.45000:01:17.460 to reduce the environmental impact of 00:01:19.96900:01:19.979 power generation and so we have a lot of 00:01:22.60900:01:22.619 tools and resources to assist with 00:01:24.89000:01:24.900 project development and we also target 00:01:27.58000:01:27.590 barriers regulatory barriers financial 00:01:30.02000:01:30.030 barriers that sort of thing through the 00:01:33.10900:01:33.119 over 12 years of the program we have 770 00:01:36.92000:01:36.930 projects that we've helped we have over 00:01:38.78000:01:38.790 450 partners and quite a few megawatts 00:01:41.12000:01:41.130 of capacity that we have facilitated and 00:01:44.12000:01:44.130 I would also just make a note that so we 00:01:46.63900:01:46.649 have today's webinar and we plan another 00:01:48.59000:01:48.600 webinar in June that's going to focus on 00:01:50.83000:01:50.840 commercial pace and CHP so please do 00:01:54.13900:01:54.149 stay tuned for further announcements for 00:01:56.48000:01:56.490 that and real quickly let me just set 00:01:58.99900:01:59.009 the scene for you so we targeted this 00:02:02.09000:02:02.100 topic as something that we thought would 00:02:03.67900:02:03.689 be based on feedback we got from 00:02:05.20900:02:05.219 partners and speaking with others that 00:02:07.31000:02:07.320 could look this good you know benefit 00:02:09.80000:02:09.810 from a closer look so we developed a 00:02:11.24000:02:11.250 fact sheet 00:02:12.23000:02:12.240 that we published about a month or so 00:02:14.72000:02:14.730 ago it's on our website and you'll see 00:02:16.58000:02:16.590 the URL here on the slide so we're 00:02:18.86000:02:18.870 trying to do is really illustrate the 00:02:20.93000:02:20.940 potential economic operational 00:02:23.42000:02:23.430 environmental benefits of CHP systems in 00:02:26.18000:02:26.190 terms of looking at old boilers this is 00:02:29.15000:02:29.160 just a little statistic about how many 00:02:30.80000:02:30.810 boilers there who are that are forty 00:02:32.72000:02:32.730 years old is quite a few in this country 00:02:34.55000:02:34.560 and facility owners are looking at 00:02:36.83000:02:36.840 increased maintenance cost there are new 00:02:39.35000:02:39.360 regulations that are coming into being 00:02:41.09000:02:41.100 and perhaps they have new steam demands 00:02:43.10000:02:43.110 that have developed since they have the 00:02:45.14000:02:45.150 system's you know what in into operation 00:02:47.60000:02:47.610 some years before so there's a number of 00:02:49.07000:02:49.080 reasons why folks might be looking at a 00:02:51.98000:02:51.990 boiler replacement option and so we 00:02:54.20000:02:54.210 thought it would be useful to present a 00:02:55.79000:02:55.800 comparison between CHP and natural gas 00:02:58.97000:02:58.980 boilers so that might be a logical 00:03:00.88000:03:00.890 option for people to consider but 00:03:03.08000:03:03.090 perhaps if you dig into the numbers and 00:03:04.97000:03:04.980 the details and your needs on-site you 00:03:07.28000:03:07.290 may see that CHP would also be something 00:03:09.80000:03:09.810 you want to consider so we look at there 00:03:12.44000:03:12.450 a number of different factors in the in 00:03:14.48000:03:14.490 the analysis and you know for a number 00:03:16.43000:03:16.440 of facilities we think that CHP would be 00:03:18.53000:03:18.540 you know a financially attractive option 00:03:20.90000:03:20.910 so I would commend that reading to you 00:03:23.30000:03:23.310 if you haven't looked at it already and 00:03:25.13000:03:25.140 we definitely appreciate feedback on 00:03:27.44000:03:27.450 that so please do share any thoughts you 00:03:30.17000:03:30.180 have about when you get a chance to 00:03:31.46000:03:31.470 review that fact sheet so without 00:03:33.71000:03:33.720 further ado let me turn to our speakers 00:03:35.72000:03:35.730 who are introduced already who will be 00:03:37.46000:03:37.470 providing you with some real-world 00:03:38.81000:03:38.820 examples of how boiler replacement 00:03:41.60000:03:41.610 happens elements to consider and kind of 00:03:44.24000:03:44.250 the challenges and lessons that they've 00:03:46.19000:03:46.200 learned in in doing this so thank you 00:03:48.56000:03:48.570 very much 00:04:00.67000:04:00.680 okay Thank You Susan this is Joe East at 00:04:03.41000:04:03.420 Worley Parsons and as we go through the 00:04:05.89900:04:05.909 slides today what I have laid out here 00:04:08.03000:04:08.040 as requested is an approach to 00:04:10.93000:04:10.940 evaluating chb as a boiler replacement 00:04:13.94000:04:13.950 option and maybe most likely from a 00:04:17.27000:04:17.280 project developer perspective and 00:04:19.00900:04:19.019 looking at the options and then from 00:04:21.05000:04:21.060 there we'll close out and I have a case 00:04:23.33000:04:23.340 study or two that we could get through 00:04:24.89000:04:24.900 and show you a real-life example of what 00:04:28.58000:04:28.590 the opportunity is and how to evaluate 00:04:30.59000:04:30.600 this if you go to the next slide Sarah 00:04:35.52900:04:35.539 first of all Worley Parsons we are a 00:04:38.60000:04:38.610 project delivery organization for 00:04:41.06000:04:41.070 execution of projects helping our 00:04:42.65000:04:42.660 clients 1 develop projects and then 00:04:46.82000:04:46.830 deliver them from concept through 00:04:48.83000:04:48.840 completion and as you can see we are a 00:04:51.52900:04:51.539 global company about 40,000 people 00:04:53.77000:04:53.780 located around the world and operating 00:04:55.96900:04:55.979 primarily in the power hydrocarbons 00:04:57.89000:04:57.900 mining metals infrastructure environment 00:05:00.52900:05:00.539 and minerals and chemical sectors next 00:05:04.40000:05:04.410 slide please 00:05:05.06000:05:05.070 a key consideration as you approach the 00:05:13.79000:05:13.800 CHP project and looking at any type of 00:05:16.33900:05:16.349 project delivery is to look at the 00:05:19.83900:05:19.849 concept all the way through to 00:05:22.40000:05:22.410 completion and really as far as what we 00:05:25.73000:05:25.740 see a Worley Parsons as a project 00:05:27.35000:05:27.360 delivery approach is taking that blank 00:05:30.11000:05:30.120 sheet of paper looking at what your 00:05:31.79000:05:31.800 options are and then from a feasibility 00:05:34.73000:05:34.740 select consulting perspective take the 00:05:37.52000:05:37.530 next step transition through a staged 00:05:39.52900:05:39.539 heated process we've developed a project 00:05:42.74000:05:42.750 in both scope concept and details along 00:05:45.95000:05:45.960 with the budget needs as far as 00:05:47.60000:05:47.610 determining capital and onm operating 00:05:49.58000:05:49.590 budgets and developing pro formers for a 00:05:53.06000:05:53.070 bankable feasibility study and then 00:05:55.12900:05:55.139 actually building the facility and then 00:05:56.93000:05:56.940 operating and maintaining it is that 00:05:59.21000:05:59.220 project moves along a development cycle 00:06:02.54000:06:02.550 as we call it here project delivery and 00:06:05.12000:06:05.130 project development cycle going from a 00:06:06.95000:06:06.960 consulting phase to a detailed end 00:06:09.37000:06:09.380 nearing phase and throw an own and 00:06:11.35000:06:11.360 operate phase and maintaining the 00:06:13.21000:06:13.220 facility and that's really the approach 00:06:14.92000:06:14.930 we take as we step through the process 00:06:17.77000:06:17.780 here for looking at okay if I wasn't it 00:06:20.80000:06:20.810 to consider what CHP options I had from 00:06:23.35000:06:23.360 my facility and what are my alternatives 00:06:25.54000:06:25.550 when I'm looking at what what was 00:06:28.81000:06:28.820 presented here from Susan 00:06:30.34000:06:30.350 as far as consideration of options when 00:06:32.80000:06:32.810 you're saying okay I have an existing 00:06:34.12000:06:34.130 facility might be affected by boiler 00:06:35.86000:06:35.870 MACT and that what are my options going 00:06:38.86000:06:38.870 forward so as we go through this keep 00:06:41.32000:06:41.330 that in mind as you would go through 00:06:42.79000:06:42.800 this process and if you go the next 00:06:45.13000:06:45.140 slide please Susan 00:06:46.33000:06:46.340 Sarah why CHP which is the question that 00:06:50.68000:06:50.690 you proposed to yourself and go to the 00:06:52.60000:06:52.610 next slide and really what the value is 00:06:57.49000:06:57.500 here you know and I know we're talking 00:06:59.29000:06:59.300 about boiler and gas-fired boiler 00:07:01.33000:07:01.340 options but if you're looking at boiler 00:07:03.73000:07:03.740 MACT certainly the value proposition 00:07:05.62000:07:05.630 that you see is you know you're looking 00:07:08.14000:07:08.150 at okay do I want to continue at this 00:07:09.70000:07:09.710 point investing in my coal-fired plant 00:07:11.89000:07:11.900 operations and looking at retrofitted 00:07:14.35000:07:14.360 air quality control to meet the boiler 00:07:16.00000:07:16.010 MACT requirements and the things 00:07:17.95000:07:17.960 associated with that is maybe higher O&M 00:07:20.29000:07:20.300 costs that would be over existing 00:07:22.78000:07:22.790 operation the increased maintenance for 00:07:24.61000:07:24.620 existing equipment you know there's 00:07:26.50000:07:26.510 really no return on invested capital 00:07:27.73000:07:27.740 risk of escalating coal costs and you 00:07:30.19000:07:30.200 still exposed to future regulations 00:07:32.20000:07:32.210 which might be incurred for continuing 00:07:35.11000:07:35.120 coal burning an alternative to that is 00:07:37.57000:07:37.580 to look at okay what is my gas fired CHP 00:07:40.54000:07:40.550 option is for one you're gonna have 00:07:42.97000:07:42.980 lower O&M costs leveraged CHP for 00:07:45.76000:07:45.770 producing electricity and supplementing 00:07:47.59000:07:47.600 plant load or sell excess power you have 00:07:50.44000:07:50.450 a natural guy you have a current market 00:07:53.11000:07:53.120 or a natural gas pricing and at least in 00:07:55.90000:07:55.910 the near term horizon see somewhat 00:07:57.73000:07:57.740 stable and then you have a possible 00:08:00.31000:08:00.320 higher return on investment and lower 00:08:02.02000:08:02.030 O&M costs through external electricity 00:08:04.60000:08:04.610 sales and implant profitability for the 00:08:07.93000:08:07.940 next slide and as you get in 00:08:13.97000:08:13.980 and these are developing issues that 00:08:16.37000:08:16.380 have the met have bar occurring and just 00:08:19.01000:08:19.020 gaining traction in the industry is of 00:08:20.99000:08:21.000 other things to consider and were well 00:08:23.90000:08:23.910 covered in the CHP as boiler replacement 00:08:27.32000:08:27.330 opportunity fact sheet that was just 00:08:28.91000:08:28.920 issued by the EPA and these are things 00:08:31.76000:08:31.770 that you have to consider additional 00:08:33.08000:08:33.090 value and and things that as far as risk 00:08:36.71000:08:36.720 mitigation techniques and planning for 00:08:39.02000:08:39.030 future operation where you look at your 00:08:40.58000:08:40.590 ongoing existing operations and it might 00:08:43.52000:08:43.530 align with current corporate 00:08:45.08000:08:45.090 sustainability compliance and them 00:08:46.85000:08:46.860 tation and plans that you're aligned 00:08:48.41000:08:48.420 with that by looking at CHP versus 00:08:51.08000:08:51.090 existing coal even as we go through the 00:08:53.66000:08:53.670 presentation a gas-fired package boilers 00:08:56.47000:08:56.480 is their site expansion needs for 00:08:58.91000:08:58.920 creasing steam demands you have economic 00:09:01.55000:09:01.560 and operational benefits in 00:09:03.14000:09:03.150 consideration of this we're certainly a 00:09:06.56000:09:06.570 gaining issue that is gaining traction 00:09:10.25000:09:10.260 is enabling system resiliency in energy 00:09:13.43000:09:13.440 infrastructure and this is really 00:09:14.90000:09:14.910 considering island mode operations it's 00:09:17.27000:09:17.280 gained a lot of notoriety with some of 00:09:19.19000:09:19.200 the recent weather events in the 00:09:20.54000:09:20.550 Northeast either snow or hurricanes 00:09:23.27000:09:23.280 where there's been extended outages from 00:09:25.19000:09:25.200 the regions and maintaining continued 00:09:28.13000:09:28.140 operations and avoiding you know for 00:09:30.38000:09:30.390 industrials of waiting shutdowns startup 00:09:32.54000:09:32.550 cost or unplanned outages and as you get 00:09:36.11000:09:36.120 into those facilities which are 00:09:38.95000:09:38.960 institutional types with hospitals or 00:09:41.75000:09:41.760 nursing care or 00:09:43.36000:09:43.370 universities where there might be more 00:09:45.56000:09:45.570 critical benefits as a critical 00:09:46.97000:09:46.980 infrastructure there are vis to that 00:09:49.31000:09:49.320 provide Island mode operation during 00:09:51.47000:09:51.480 those long term extended outages other 00:09:53.60000:09:53.610 operational benefits and economic our 00:09:55.49000:09:55.500 hedging against rising electricity costs 00:09:57.44000:09:57.450 and we'll get into a little bit of why 00:09:59.30000:09:59.310 that is occurring avoiding costs of new 00:10:01.49000:10:01.500 regulations again where you might have 00:10:03.11000:10:03.120 increased regulations and the 00:10:05.57000:10:05.580 environment for coal and oil fire 00:10:06.95000:10:06.960 boilers and then the environmental 00:10:08.45000:10:08.460 benefits which is reduce greenhouse gas 00:10:11.21000:10:11.220 emissions and other criteria air 00:10:13.52000:10:13.530 pollutants hazardous air toxic solid 00:10:15.65000:10:15.660 waste associated with firing coal and 00:10:18.32000:10:18.330 oil where you have air quality equipment 00:10:20.12000:10:20.130 and normal waste streams and then even 00:10:22.79000:10:22.800 as recently as wastewater issues that 00:10:25.37000:10:25.380 might be 00:10:27.18000:10:27.190 coming up is associated with coal 00:10:29.10000:10:29.110 burning and then the other developmental 00:10:31.26000:10:31.270 benefits is just the increased 00:10:32.61000:10:32.620 efficiency converting energy into the 00:10:35.52000:10:35.530 thermal and power and doing it very 00:10:38.43000:10:38.440 efficient through a CHP process next 00:10:40.62000:10:40.630 slide and this is just a summary of 00:10:45.54000:10:45.550 where we're at certainly looking at the 00:10:48.06000:10:48.070 separate heat and power historical way 00:10:50.19000:10:50.200 of doing it with the thermal supply and 00:10:52.08000:10:52.090 then buying electricity which is 00:10:53.70000:10:53.710 generated and looking at the overall 00:10:55.80000:10:55.810 combined efficiency of that and 00:10:57.39000:10:57.400 comparing that the CHP and not going to 00:10:59.94000:10:59.950 dwell on this but certainly this is the 00:11:01.47000:11:01.480 backdrop for what we're considering next 00:11:03.27000:11:03.280 slide so let's just go through ok if 00:11:08.67000:11:08.680 fully CHP is to be considered what are 00:11:10.74000:11:10.750 some site design conditions and analysis 00:11:12.81000:11:12.820 on how you approach this next slide and 00:11:18.30000:11:18.310 really that means that the objective is 00:11:20.25000:11:20.260 you want to see what the benefits are so 00:11:22.20000:11:22.210 you really look at your facility as 00:11:23.58000:11:23.590 either industrial large institution or 00:11:25.89000:11:25.900 even commercial and the way we've 00:11:28.23000:11:28.240 approached this is to say ok if you're 00:11:30.84000:11:30.850 going to do a quick screening analysis 00:11:32.70000:11:32.710 approach as far as you know if I want to 00:11:35.37000:11:35.380 understand what are all my options and 00:11:37.62000:11:37.630 be able to quickly assess and screen 00:11:40.05000:11:40.060 them down from a multiple field of 00:11:41.88000:11:41.890 options if it's 4 or 5 10 15 20 and get 00:11:45.84000:11:45.850 it down to two or three which are viable 00:11:49.11000:11:49.120 is this is an approach that you can 00:11:51.30000:11:51.310 actually take is and this is our 00:11:53.55000:11:53.560 approach is where you set up some ranges 00:11:55.74000:11:55.750 of power generation capabilities a range 00:11:58.17000:11:58.180 of steam generation capabilities within 00:12:00.36000:12:00.370 a modeling based approach and then look 00:12:04.59000:12:04.600 at the steam conditions that are 00:12:06.00000:12:06.010 primarily out there and this is what we 00:12:07.59000:12:07.600 found is either 150-pound saturated or 00:12:10.35000:12:10.360 600-pound 7 or 50 degrees steam 00:12:12.84000:12:12.850 conditions are those that are good 00:12:14.79000:12:14.800 points of reference to be used as a 00:12:16.86000:12:16.870 starting point and then familiy can get 00:12:18.63000:12:18.640 more site-specific and then looking at 00:12:20.79000:12:20.800 redundancy as far as looking at steam 00:12:23.43000:12:23.440 backup and without spoilers in the 00:12:26.01000:12:26.020 approach and then for power is assuming 00:12:29.73000:12:29.740 maybe that the power supply could be 00:12:32.07000:12:32.080 backed up from the grid looking at fuel 00:12:34.35000:12:34.360 supply as natural gas being available 00:12:36.45000:12:36.460 for gas turbines and the heat recovery 00:12:38.67000:12:38.680 steam generator and then 00:12:40.41000:12:40.420 for the office boiler for reliable 00:12:42.26900:12:42.279 supply just in case that there would be 00:12:44.10000:12:44.110 a loss of gas is you could have an ox 00:12:46.62000:12:46.630 boiler dual fuel fired which is oil and 00:12:48.87000:12:48.880 gas then the prime movers selection and 00:12:51.48000:12:51.490 then using quick backup next slide 00:12:56.48000:12:56.490 there's also some other considerations 00:12:58.53000:12:58.540 is power purchase situation is you know 00:13:01.35000:13:01.360 developing a scenario where you might be 00:13:03.15000:13:03.160 selling excess power or just supplying 00:13:05.16000:13:05.170 the plant needs always emission 00:13:07.17000:13:07.180 compliance is important in meeting the 00:13:09.66000:13:09.670 environmental readmission requirements 00:13:11.55000:13:11.560 and that's one turned down especially 00:13:12.68900:13:12.699 with combustion turbines and making sure 00:13:15.26900:13:15.279 that your facility can always be 00:13:16.74000:13:16.750 compliant with your permit limits the 00:13:18.96000:13:18.970 flexibility operation certainly we 00:13:20.75900:13:20.769 understand that with industrials thermal 00:13:23.46000:13:23.470 requirements or what's the purpose of 00:13:25.19900:13:25.209 the facility with power being secondary 00:13:27.12000:13:27.130 so having that operational flexibility 00:13:29.43000:13:29.440 where you're always needing thermal 00:13:31.11000:13:31.120 requirements and going from there for 00:13:33.32900:13:33.339 the added benefit the CHP scope 00:13:35.12900:13:35.139 certainly in understanding what the 00:13:36.93000:13:36.940 scope of the project is and the boundary 00:13:38.75900:13:38.769 limits and then developing cost of 00:13:40.92000:13:40.930 capital costs and operating costs around 00:13:43.01900:13:43.029 those operating and maintenance costs 00:13:44.87000:13:44.880 are important for the evaluation then an 00:13:47.67000:13:47.680 economic input and just looking at the 00:13:49.76900:13:49.779 data for how you want to do the analysis 00:13:51.56900:13:51.579 next slide and this is just not that 00:13:57.38900:13:57.399 we're here selling equipment but as a 00:13:58.98000:13:58.990 pre-determined modeling is our approach 00:14:01.82900:14:01.839 was that we've setup predetermined Heat 00:14:04.59000:14:04.600 material balances to consider the well 00:14:06.44900:14:06.459 the realm and breadth of the 00:14:08.85000:14:08.860 capabilities of each of these systems 00:14:10.25900:14:10.269 and built modeling around that as a 00:14:12.56900:14:12.579 basis of doing the sprit quick screening 00:14:15.38900:14:15.399 and those are the increments that we 00:14:17.22000:14:17.230 list there and then really the 00:14:18.96000:14:18.970 configuration is based on your site 00:14:21.15000:14:21.160 requirements if you're considering CHP 00:14:23.75900:14:23.769 is looking at either if you have a high 00:14:25.86000:14:25.870 thermal to power ratio you want to look 00:14:27.87000:14:27.880 at simple CHP with the gas turbine and 00:14:29.93900:14:29.949 her sake if you have a combined cycle 00:14:31.76900:14:31.779 CHP with a back pressure steam turbine 00:14:34.01900:14:34.029 and then if you really are high in power 00:14:37.37900:14:37.389 consumption versus your thermal you 00:14:39.48000:14:39.490 always have the combined cycle with a 00:14:40.94900:14:40.959 condensing extraction steam turbine 00:14:42.84000:14:42.850 option next slide 00:14:47.86000:14:47.870 the approaches is look at your current 00:14:49.63000:14:49.640 operations and see going forward what 00:14:53.80000:14:53.810 are the costs associated with that 00:14:55.18000:14:55.190 another option always is and is 00:14:57.16000:14:57.170 considered today is looking at fuel 00:14:58.90000:14:58.910 switching which is gas burners on a coal 00:15:01.21000:15:01.220 boiler and third option is just putting 00:15:03.70000:15:03.710 in gas fired packaged boilers and then 00:15:06.04000:15:06.050 finally what we consider an envelope of 00:15:08.38000:15:08.390 CHP options is using a gas turbine or a 00:15:11.62000:15:11.630 reciprocating engine based system and 00:15:13.62000:15:13.630 looking at alternatives and what that 00:15:15.82000:15:15.830 would be coming up with a capital 00:15:17.05000:15:17.060 operating and then doing a net present 00:15:19.54000:15:19.550 value simple payback and IRR next slide 00:15:26.55000:15:26.560 and the things that you need to consider 00:15:29.01900:15:29.029 in the screening model as far as site 00:15:31.45000:15:31.460 data is and inputs in your evaluation as 00:15:34.99000:15:35.000 min and Max team requirements to make 00:15:36.70000:15:36.710 sure you can meet the site operations 00:15:38.68000:15:38.690 and extremes gas turbine attributes of 00:15:41.26000:15:41.270 efficiencies and fuel consumption and 00:15:43.84000:15:43.850 external exhaust temperatures minimum 00:15:46.78000:15:46.790 fuel gas pressure requirements project 00:15:48.94000:15:48.950 schedule utility consumptions 00:15:51.49000:15:51.500 import/export if there's our options for 00:15:53.62000:15:53.630 that certainly co2 reduction for CHP 00:15:56.40000:15:56.410 versus non CHP with coal and then 00:15:59.52000:15:59.530 looking at the displaced electricity if 00:16:02.80000:16:02.810 you were to include it or not to include 00:16:04.39000:16:04.400 it certainly our approach is fuel 00:16:07.21000:16:07.220 chargeable to power which is a 00:16:09.70000:16:09.710 traditional CHP evaluation approach on 00:16:12.46000:16:12.470 how you value what incremental fuel is 00:16:15.13000:16:15.140 needed for heat rate and also for 00:16:18.01000:16:18.020 calculation of generating your own 00:16:20.35000:16:20.360 electricity and then finally a thermal 00:16:22.96000:16:22.970 the power demand ratio and electricity 00:16:25.36000:16:25.370 price gas ratios next slide is then 00:16:32.50000:16:32.510 running it through an economic model and 00:16:35.77000:16:35.780 you know developing you have a capex you 00:16:38.47000:16:38.480 have a construction schedule and you run 00:16:40.93000:16:40.940 us through an economic cash flow model 00:16:42.55000:16:42.560 and continue from there and developing 00:16:45.25000:16:45.260 the NPV next slide 00:16:50.18000:16:50.190 and these are some of the benefits that 00:16:52.87900:16:52.889 we've found in general every sites going 00:16:55.12900:16:55.139 to be unique but we have generally seen 00:16:56.72000:16:56.730 forty to sixty percent energy savings 00:16:58.18900:16:58.199 with an FC P here a basis we've looked 00:17:01.73000:17:01.740 at systems that heat rates of 3,800 BTS 00:17:05.27000:17:05.280 four kilowatt hours because of the 00:17:07.03900:17:07.049 design requirements the one thing to be 00:17:10.13000:17:10.140 straight on is that you know when you 00:17:12.50000:17:12.510 look at the capital budget for a CHP 00:17:14.32900:17:14.339 versus package forwards or retrofit air 00:17:16.25000:17:16.260 quality it will be higher order a 00:17:18.77000:17:18.780 magnitude higher in the estimate and 00:17:20.80900:17:20.819 then but the offsetting challenge or the 00:17:23.96000:17:23.970 offsetting benefit is the lower 00:17:25.46000:17:25.470 operating maintenance costs and fuel 00:17:27.67900:17:27.689 costs and looking at and evaluating that 00:17:30.50000:17:30.510 against the higher capital and let's go 00:17:32.84000:17:32.850 into the next slide and I just want to 00:17:35.89900:17:35.909 run through a quick case study which 00:17:37.27900:17:37.289 shows these results and if we go on to 00:17:39.52900:17:39.539 the next slide this is for an 8 megawatt 00:17:41.84000:17:41.850 CHP which is at a facility and you can 00:17:45.08000:17:45.090 see the requirements here as far as 00:17:46.58000:17:46.590 their current power price the amount of 00:17:49.13000:17:49.140 electricity consumed what there's Steve 00:17:51.68000:17:51.690 demands for and I emphasize were done in 00:17:54.04900:17:54.059 44,000 pounds an hour with their 00:17:55.94000:17:55.950 coal-fired plant and then looking at 00:17:58.46000:17:58.470 their coal pricing and natural gas 00:17:59.87000:17:59.880 pricing that's available at 379 450 next 00:18:02.84000:18:02.850 slide and really the options here were a 00:18:07.34000:18:07.350 new package boiler with back pressure 00:18:08.93000:18:08.940 steam turbine we evaluate the Centaur 50 00:18:11.81000:18:11.820 70 and a hundred as far as the benefits 00:18:14.63000:18:14.640 and looking at those of producing both 00:18:17.27000:18:17.280 the power requirements of the site and 00:18:19.13000:18:19.140 thermal requirements next slide and here 00:18:25.13000:18:25.140 you can see in both the Centaur 50 and 00:18:27.28900:18:27.299 70 if you look at that in those 00:18:29.81000:18:29.820 scenarios that weren't quite enough to 00:18:31.70000:18:31.710 meet the thermal requirements so you'd 00:18:33.14000:18:33.150 have to run an ox boil in the background 00:18:34.97000:18:34.980 and then with the Mars 100 they're 00:18:37.34000:18:37.350 producing more power than you need to 00:18:38.99000:18:39.000 the exporting power and then looking at 00:18:41.45000:18:41.460 an extreme case is they have the Titan 00:18:44.27000:18:44.280 250 and going from there next slide and 00:18:52.78900:18:52.799 these are just 00:18:53.57000:18:53.580 and this is really the true benefit is 00:18:55.58000:18:55.590 looking at the levelized cost of energy 00:18:57.35000:18:57.360 is that you can see the the annual 00:19:00.32000:19:00.330 energy cost what the savings are for 00:19:02.39000:19:02.400 spending the increased level of capital 00:19:04.27000:19:04.280 going from the twenty five million for 00:19:06.47000:19:06.480 just the fuel switching which is the 00:19:08.36000:19:08.370 annual energy costs to the highest end 00:19:10.82000:19:10.830 which includes a net benefit from 00:19:12.50000:19:12.510 selling power to the grid of between 00:19:14.96000:19:14.970 five and eight and a half million next 00:19:16.61000:19:16.620 slide and then here this is the total 00:19:20.66000:19:20.670 project cost is considering well what do 00:19:23.30000:19:23.310 I have to pay to install these systems 00:19:25.16000:19:25.170 and you can see to the left the simple 00:19:28.31000:19:28.320 solutions of retrofitting the coal or 00:19:31.67000:19:31.680 oil air fuel switching or just putting 00:19:34.25000:19:34.260 in package boilies against some of the 00:19:36.02000:19:36.030 incremental costs of looking at 00:19:38.21000:19:38.220 incremental CHP options or putting in 00:19:40.25000:19:40.260 the combustion turbines and next costs 00:19:42.47000:19:42.480 next slide and then just looking at the 00:19:47.54000:19:47.550 present value of the total energy this 00:19:49.52000:19:49.530 is gets into the analysis this doesn't 00:19:51.47000:19:51.480 include capital but just shows you over 00:19:53.69000:19:53.700 the life cycle analysis what some of the 00:19:55.64000:19:55.650 present value and what the order of 00:19:57.74000:19:57.750 magnitude differentials are that you can 00:19:59.87000:19:59.880 consider in your valuation next slide 00:20:04.09000:20:04.100 and this is the breakdown of the 00:20:06.68000:20:06.690 annualized cost as you consider that 00:20:09.11000:20:09.120 coverage energy bill and all the other 00:20:11.93000:20:11.940 of operation of the facility next slide 00:20:14.26000:20:14.270 and this here shows you the incremental 00:20:18.62000:20:18.630 co2 reduction and the benefits that you 00:20:20.60000:20:20.610 have from that as far as Inc as you 00:20:23.54000:20:23.550 increase your power output and thermal 00:20:25.58000:20:25.590 requirements and efficiency of 00:20:26.93000:20:26.940 conversion is that you're actually 00:20:29.27000:20:29.280 saving co2 not from your own facility 00:20:31.55000:20:31.560 but also what you're displacing from 00:20:34.13000:20:34.140 that you're generating yourself 00:20:35.45000:20:35.460 efficiently versus what's being 00:20:37.31000:20:37.320 generated from the local grid connection 00:20:39.62000:20:39.630 next slide and this is what you would 00:20:43.67000:20:43.680 see in an NPV analysis looking at to the 00:20:46.37000:20:46.380 left side to breakdown and what 00:20:47.90000:20:47.910 contributes to the net NPV and if you 00:20:50.63000:20:50.640 see the above the bar bar on the left 00:20:53.66000:20:53.670 side is that's indicating the revenue 00:20:57.59000:20:57.600 benefit from selling the excess 00:20:59.42000:20:59.430 electricity to the local grid and then 00:21:02.54000:21:02.550 giving you a net NPV that go to the 00:21:04.28000:21:04.290 right side of each of those bars which 00:21:05.75000:21:05.760 might be less than 00:21:07.07000:21:07.080 additional costs next slide if you do a 00:21:10.88000:21:10.890 screening analysis then you can see 00:21:12.95000:21:12.960 which might be the lower mtv's but if 00:21:14.72000:21:14.730 you go to the IRR and simple payback is 00:21:17.06000:21:17.070 you can see for this then this is in 00:21:20.63000:21:20.640 reference not to a base case but in 00:21:22.37000:21:22.380 reference to a package boiler which 00:21:24.68000:21:24.690 would you be buying knew that even with 00:21:26.57000:21:26.580 CHP compared to a packaged boiler you're 00:21:29.36000:21:29.370 still seeing a net payback period in the 00:21:31.94000:21:31.950 area of four to five years and IRS in 00:21:36.28900:21:36.299 the twenty to thirty percent range for 00:21:38.09000:21:38.100 the for the various options to show that 00:21:40.22000:21:40.230 there are some benefits yet economically 00:21:41.89900:21:41.909 even as you compared to the savings in 00:21:44.74000:21:44.750 compared to a new gas packaged boiler 00:21:47.09000:21:47.100 next slide and just some sensitivities 00:21:51.64900:21:51.659 for these options as you look at okay 00:21:53.53900:21:53.549 what's the variability of gas pricing 00:21:55.37000:21:55.380 how does that affect my payback if you 00:21:57.76900:21:57.779 go to the next slide is the sensitivity 00:22:02.14900:22:02.159 to the local electricity purchase price 00:22:04.73000:22:04.740 and how that affects the payback of the 00:22:07.10000:22:07.110 project and if you go to the next slide 00:22:10.75000:22:10.760 another thing that you can calculate as 00:22:13.12900:22:13.139 your proceeds P is what's the cost of 00:22:15.01900:22:15.029 steam produced is just allocating the 00:22:17.60000:22:17.610 capital the onm budget you can see your 00:22:19.46000:22:19.470 steam required as far as the cost per 00:22:22.07000:22:22.080 thousand pounds and if you're the next 00:22:23.69000:22:23.700 slide here you can see what the cost of 00:22:27.20000:22:27.210 electricity produced would be you can 00:22:29.36000:22:29.370 calculate what it would cost in each of 00:22:31.58000:22:31.590 the options and this is the annual 00:22:33.47000:22:33.480 average so it does blend in if you have 00:22:35.21000:22:35.220 to purchase a portion of it but you can 00:22:37.58000:22:37.590 see to generate yourself what the 00:22:39.52900:22:39.539 benefits are versus purchasing it from 00:22:41.41900:22:41.429 the grid and if you go to the next slide 00:22:43.27900:22:43.289 and then if we fix the steam cost at the 00:22:48.23000:22:48.240 current cost of steam production you can 00:22:50.84000:22:50.850 see what the normalized cost of 00:22:52.85000:22:52.860 electricity production would be compared 00:22:55.12900:22:55.139 to fixing this theme cost versus 00:22:56.72000:22:56.730 calculating it and to go to the next 00:22:58.66900:22:58.679 slide so that's the case study as far as 00:23:02.96000:23:02.970 part of the presentation I do have a 00:23:04.43000:23:04.440 second case study available but as the 00:23:06.91900:23:06.929 time as available today is we'll be 00:23:09.16900:23:09.179 moving on to the next presenter which is 00:23:12.16900:23:12.179 Paul Moser and Laura Miller at Penn 00:23:13.94000:23:13.950 State 00:23:18.76000:23:18.770 good afternoon everybody let's get 00:23:21.39900:23:21.409 started thank you for inviting us to 00:23:27.15900:23:27.169 present it's good to see some friends in 00:23:30.15900:23:30.169 the crowd and we'll get started with a 00:23:33.54900:23:33.559 little with our story of what Penn State 00:23:35.88900:23:35.899 is and what our system looks like 00:23:37.74000:23:37.750 walking through the East Campus steam 00:23:42.07000:23:42.080 plant project that is complete now and 00:23:44.51900:23:44.529 we'll bring you up to date to where we 00:23:47.11000:23:47.120 are today so Penn State University right 00:23:51.58000:23:51.590 in the middle of Pennsylvania about 00:23:53.47000:23:53.480 50,000 students faculty and staff any 00:23:58.02900:23:58.039 given day here and myself representing 00:24:01.81000:24:01.820 steam services and and Laura 00:24:05.32000:24:05.330 representing our engineering so the way 00:24:07.33000:24:07.340 I'll do this is I'll take take it up to 00:24:09.10000:24:09.110 East Campus steam plant then I'm going 00:24:10.69000:24:10.700 to hand it over to Laura and let her 00:24:11.91900:24:11.929 walk you through our next steps 00:24:17.13000:24:17.140 personnel lives here at Penn State we 00:24:19.93000:24:19.940 have ten plus engineering and technical 00:24:23.28900:24:23.299 support folks who are helping us develop 00:24:25.93000:24:25.940 these projects and here at steam 00:24:28.57000:24:28.580 services we have more than 40 people 00:24:31.00000:24:31.010 that are operating and maintaining the 00:24:33.22000:24:33.230 plants we serve more than 200 buildings 00:24:35.89000:24:35.900 on campus with the steam system from two 00:24:39.90900:24:39.919 different power plants a little picture 00:24:42.70000:24:42.710 of our district energy system here and 00:24:46.09000:24:46.100 stayed if you look down in the lower 00:24:48.31000:24:48.320 left you'll see the WCS B or the West 00:24:50.98000:24:50.990 Campus steam plant over here to the 00:24:53.40900:24:53.419 right you'll see the East Campus steam 00:24:56.28900:24:56.299 plant together they serve the shaded 00:24:59.95000:24:59.960 areas that you can see those are the 00:25:01.53900:25:01.549 buildings resurfacing is that plus two 00:25:04.41900:25:04.429 hundred buildings the yellow cup of the 00:25:09.25000:25:09.260 wheel if you will is our walking tunnel 00:25:11.82000:25:11.830 we're supplying that tunnel with high 00:25:14.53000:25:14.540 and low pressure steam piping 150 psi 00:25:17.59000:25:17.600 for defended low being 13 psi produced 00:25:21.61000:25:21.620 only from the West Campus steam plant 00:25:23.79900:25:23.809 back pressure turbines so we've been 00:25:26.26000:25:26.270 combined heat and power here at Penn 00:25:28.72000:25:28.730 State since West Campus was built in 00:25:31.51000:25:31.520 1929 peak steam loads in the wintertime 00:25:36.28000:25:36.290 are around 420 some thousand pounds per 00:25:40.15000:25:40.160 hour an hour minimum steam loads in this 00:25:41.98000:25:41.990 summer about 80,000 pounds an hour so we 00:25:45.34000:25:45.350 have a fairly dramatic profile there 00:25:48.40000:25:48.410 it's about 5 to 1 that's that really 00:25:52.18000:25:52.190 owes itself to the cost of electricity 00:25:53.74000:25:53.750 here when when we developed this project 00:25:56.56000:25:56.570 back in o 6 our price of electricity was 00:25:58.99000:25:59.000 about 3 and 1/2 cents per kilowatt hour 00:26:01.63000:26:01.640 all in the prices of fuels at the time 00:26:06.28000:26:06.290 of the 2006 project were development 00:26:11.16900:26:11.179 excuse me were gas around $13 per 00:26:16.09000:26:16.100 million Btu called being $80 $90 a ton 00:26:21.88000:26:21.890 somewhere around 4 dollars a million Btu 00:26:23.95000:26:23.960 West Campus steam plant the coal-fired 00:26:26.23000:26:26.240 power plant here at Penn State so we 00:26:31.96000:26:31.970 don't use steam for chilling really at 00:26:34.03000:26:34.040 all on campus so we really don't have a 00:26:35.89000:26:35.900 chilling load in the summer just a just 00:26:39.28000:26:39.290 a picture of where the West Campus steam 00:26:41.64900:26:41.659 plant right in the middle of State 00:26:42.97000:26:42.980 College it's the corner of Burroughs 00:26:45.85000:26:45.860 Avenue and College Avenue and again 00:26:48.52000:26:48.530 that's a coal-fired power plant annual 00:26:51.15900:26:51.169 tonnage of coal at the time was 70 75 00:26:54.22000:26:54.230 thousand tons of coal any winter day we 00:26:58.06000:26:58.070 would have seen 25 30 trucks a day of 00:27:01.36000:27:01.370 coal right here in the West Campus steam 00:27:03.03900:27:03.049 plant you're looking at a natural bag 00:27:06.19000:27:06.200 house connected to the chimney and East 00:27:11.71000:27:11.720 Campus steam plant located a little bit 00:27:15.52000:27:15.530 further out and you can see it here it's 00:27:19.40900:27:19.419 it's too packaged boilers they're a 00:27:22.72000:27:22.730 hundred thousand pounds an hour each 00:27:24.31000:27:24.320 their natural gas-fired 00:27:25.75000:27:25.760 with fuel oil number two as a backup 00:27:31.14000:27:31.150 okay so the energy picture in 2006 we 00:27:35.89000:27:35.900 needed additional capacity we had our 00:27:38.50000:27:38.510 peak steam demand in the wintertime was 00:27:42.73000:27:42.740 approaching our n minus-1 capacity so we 00:27:48.25000:27:48.260 were seeing increasing steam demands 00:27:50.23000:27:50.240 each year so that was a big one we have 00:27:54.19000:27:54.200 an aging infrastructure so East Campus 00:27:56.32000:27:56.330 steam plant built in 1971 was the last 00:27:59.95000:27:59.960 major upgrade to the steam system where 00:28:02.20000:28:02.210 forty years ago last major upgrade to 00:28:04.69000:28:04.700 the steam system with campus growth 00:28:11.59000:28:11.600 yeah with campus growth so so we went 40 00:28:16.99000:28:17.000 place at 40 years without a major 00:28:20.02000:28:20.030 upgrade to our steam generation systems 00:28:25.05000:28:25.060 essential services also this was shortly 00:28:29.83000:28:29.840 after the Katrina that and others and a 00:28:32.65000:28:32.660 lot of us in our field started asking 00:28:35.26000:28:35.270 ourselves the question if we were 00:28:36.46000:28:36.470 prepared and found that our answer 00:28:38.62000:28:38.630 really was no and so we this was how we 00:28:42.64000:28:42.650 defined it essential services how and 00:28:45.58000:28:45.590 where would we care for about ten 00:28:46.99000:28:47.000 thousand people on campus and should we 00:28:49.66000:28:49.670 have a total loss of power something we 00:28:52.72000:28:52.730 really had not experienced but we had 00:28:57.40000:28:57.410 seen others of our friends in the 00:28:59.20000:28:59.210 Northeast experienced total loss of 00:29:01.84000:29:01.850 power and we felt we needed about 12 00:29:03.52000:29:03.530 megawatts on-site to to meet the 00:29:07.42000:29:07.430 essential services so we were looking 00:29:09.07000:29:09.080 for a way to to solve that those those 00:29:12.13000:29:12.140 problems and so why did we pick CHP we 00:29:15.70000:29:15.710 felt that have solved the energy picture 00:29:17.95000:29:17.960 that I just described we also felt that 00:29:20.98000:29:20.990 it was a better commitment energy 00:29:22.96000:29:22.970 efficiency instead of the boilers and 00:29:25.87000:29:25.880 the emergency generator sets 00:29:27.93000:29:27.940 specifically specifically only EEG sets 00:29:31.44000:29:31.450 having a CT that was running running all 00:29:36.40000:29:36.410 the time would prove that it would be 00:29:38.56000:29:38.570 available when we needed it so we've 00:29:41.23000:29:41.240 been going with that philosophy no 00:29:45.13000:29:45.140 picture of the East Campus steam plant 00:29:47.04000:29:47.050 and what you see here are two times one 00:29:52.33000:29:52.340 hundred and seventy two thousand pounds 00:29:53.95000:29:53.960 or gallons of diesel fuel out front so 00:29:57.43000:29:57.440 our backup fuel and the addition here is 00:30:01.06000:30:01.070 what's housing the CT and the her sake 00:30:04.66000:30:04.670 so what we did here was add additional 00:30:08.14000:30:08.150 boiler capacity we did not replace or 00:30:10.90000:30:10.910 the capacity we needed additional over 00:30:14.23000:30:14.240 here you see the original building that 00:30:16.72000:30:16.730 held the two times one hundred thousand 00:30:19.36000:30:19.370 pound on our packaged boilers you went 00:30:23.38000:30:23.390 inside you'd see this and 00:30:25.15000:30:25.160 that's our our sole art or a 70 Rushton 00:30:30.67000:30:30.680 turbine and if you were to take the box 00:30:33.52000:30:33.530 away you can see the engine that looks 00:30:35.95000:30:35.960 like this this is the way I've looked in 00:30:37.48000:30:37.490 San Diego before they ship it to Penn 00:30:39.76000:30:39.770 State and it's connected to a rentec 00:30:42.52000:30:42.530 boiler rated at a hundred and seventeen 00:30:45.70000:30:45.710 thousand pounds an hour saturated 00:30:48.82000:30:48.830 conditions 220 psi delivering the campus 00:30:53.02000:30:53.030 somewhere around 140 or 50 whatever the 00:30:56.20000:30:56.210 campus 00:30:57.16000:30:57.170 high-pressure scene demands on so just a 00:31:02.59000:31:02.600 little view of what the cycle looks like 00:31:05.35000:31:05.360 so bottom here is our combustion turbine 00:31:08.53000:31:08.540 with the natural gas or lower oil added 00:31:12.73000:31:12.740 we're going to run this on gas under all 00:31:14.77000:31:14.780 conditions oil is really just a strictly 00:31:18.34000:31:18.350 a back up and it's anomaly rated at 7 00:31:22.33000:31:22.340 megawatts it'll make a little over eight 00:31:24.25000:31:24.260 megawatts on a cold cold winter day and 00:31:27.28000:31:27.290 it'll make under just under six 00:31:31.36000:31:31.370 megawatts on a hot summer day its 00:31:35.89000:31:35.900 exhaust temperature at 900 degrees is 00:31:38.53000:31:38.540 feeding a boiler and it's producing 00:31:41.32000:31:41.330 steam in the without any duct firing at 00:31:44.58000:31:44.590 32,000 pounds per hour and we can add 00:31:49.15000:31:49.160 duck firing to this which we are doing 00:31:52.15000:31:52.160 almost all the time 00:31:53.71000:31:53.720 and we couldn't bring that up to a total 00:31:56.59000:31:56.600 of 117 thousand pounds per hour and on a 00:31:59.77000:31:59.780 cold winter day here at East Campus 00:32:02.32000:32:02.330 plant this this units usually running at 00:32:05.20000:32:05.210 a hundred plus thousand pounds an hour 00:32:07.23000:32:07.240 that's what we're trying to keep it at a 00:32:09.40000:32:09.410 minimum we'll run it above that 00:32:17.54900:32:17.559 so just some project costs CT was close 00:32:23.04900:32:23.059 to four million dollars a herceg was one 00:32:25.06000:32:25.070 and a half and in order to fit this into 00:32:28.41900:32:28.429 the existing plant we had to build up 00:32:30.82000:32:30.830 the balance of plants so the plant was 00:32:32.64900:32:32.659 designed for the units that were there 00:32:34.26900:32:34.279 not the units that aren't there so we 00:32:37.53900:32:37.549 added feed water capacity duration a 00:32:41.28900:32:41.299 pump we added water treatment in the way 00:32:46.50900:32:46.519 of softeners and reverse osmosis 00:32:49.08000:32:49.090 demineralize errs and really a full 00:32:54.31000:32:54.320 build-out to accept this machine we're 00:32:59.08000:32:59.090 using the sole our service agreement and 00:33:01.69000:33:01.700 that means they're going to be in here 00:33:04.64900:33:04.659 twice a year once in the spring once in 00:33:07.65900:33:07.669 the fall in fact next week they'll be in 00:33:10.38900:33:10.399 here to do a out of service inspection 00:33:12.97000:33:12.980 and then in the winter in the summer 00:33:16.02900:33:16.039 we'll do an in-service inspection and 00:33:18.18000:33:18.190 then we'll expect to complete overall 00:33:21.19000:33:21.200 after about 30,000 hours and these costs 00:33:24.58000:33:24.590 that you see below are the cost that 00:33:27.84900:33:27.859 you're basically investing so that 00:33:29.49900:33:29.509 you're prepared to go for the complete 00:33:32.25900:33:32.269 overhaul and we have not had one yet but 00:33:36.58000:33:36.590 when we do we just expect that the 00:33:38.08000:33:38.090 engine will be removed and replaced with 00:33:40.59900:33:40.609 another engine and we'll get going from 00:33:43.69000:33:43.700 there so our projected electrical 00:33:48.07000:33:48.080 generation a little bit on the 00:33:49.23900:33:49.249 electricity prior to putting in the CT 00:33:53.22900:33:53.239 we were producing we are producing 00:33:55.57000:33:55.580 electricity here at the West Campus 00:33:57.51900:33:57.529 steam plant using steam turbines and 00:34:00.35900:34:00.369 producing back pressure steam to campus 00:34:02.79900:34:02.809 so our electrical load always followed 00:34:05.37900:34:05.389 the steam load and in the summer time we 00:34:08.02000:34:08.030 we would make really just about 500 00:34:10.05900:34:10.069 kilowatts of power in the wintertime we 00:34:12.03900:34:12.049 could make a little over three megawatts 00:34:15.12900:34:15.139 of power so prior to the CT which this 00:34:18.63900:34:18.649 pie is showing really we only made about 00:34:21.94000:34:21.950 4% of the electricity that the campus 00:34:25.35900:34:25.369 demanded our typical hot summer day 00:34:28.14900:34:28.159 electrical demand 00:34:29.38000:34:29.390 campus 50 megawatts our cold winter day 00:34:32.82000:34:32.830 electrical is somewhere around 30 00:34:35.29000:34:35.300 megawatts but this electrical generator 00:34:38.77000:34:38.780 generation that we do produce is a 00:34:40.63000:34:40.640 hundred percent of our emergency power 00:34:43.95000:34:43.960 necessary to feed the buildings that is 00:34:46.39000:34:46.400 for the for the emergency lighting to 00:34:49.42000:34:49.430 egress lighting to get out of a building 00:34:51.40000:34:51.410 and a total loss of power so we can 00:34:53.62000:34:53.630 feedback from our emergency cable that 00:34:55.66000:34:55.670 is fed from the West Campus steam plant 00:34:57.66000:34:57.670 electrical generation as we go through 00:35:00.58000:35:00.590 an abyss CT with the hearse again east 00:35:02.74000:35:02.750 plant then our electric generation is 00:35:05.80000:35:05.810 going to get a little more like five to 00:35:09.52000:35:09.530 one purchased to produced on-site and 00:35:15.28000:35:15.290 I've got another PI here that shows and 00:35:18.78000:35:18.790 will tell you a little more about this 00:35:20.98000:35:20.990 but the there may be some room to put in 00:35:23.47000:35:23.480 another CHP and should we go that 00:35:27.19000:35:27.200 direction we think our electrical 00:35:28.63000:35:28.640 demands will look this way we'll never 00:35:30.34000:35:30.350 we don't have enough heat load for us to 00:35:33.28000:35:33.290 produce all of our on-site power our 00:35:39.58000:35:39.590 fuel mix prior to the East Campus 00:35:42.28000:35:42.290 upgrade we were a coal facility coal was 00:35:46.48000:35:46.490 dramatically less expensive we have the 00:35:49.44000:35:49.450 infrastructure here at West to produce 00:35:51.49000:35:51.500 it 00:35:52.03000:35:52.040 West plant came first so the low 00:35:55.39000:35:55.400 pressure comes out of West and East 00:35:58.42000:35:58.430 plant came later and it was just the 00:36:00.19000:36:00.200 pipng plan so east really as you can see 00:36:03.01000:36:03.020 from here made about four or five 00:36:04.54000:36:04.550 percent of the steam per year came from 00:36:06.76000:36:06.770 east until we put this project together 00:36:09.31000:36:09.320 and then it started to look a little bit 00:36:13.15000:36:13.160 more like whoops went backwards how 00:36:16.63000:36:16.640 about that as we go through as we added 00:36:20.59000:36:20.600 the East Campus now your coal coal gas 00:36:23.80000:36:23.810 consumption starts to starts the goal or 00:36:27.31000:36:27.320 more towards gas and hey as our gas 00:36:29.71000:36:29.720 price is really kicking down again we 00:36:32.38000:36:32.390 developed this project with high gas 00:36:34.03000:36:34.040 prices and local prices as those gas 00:36:37.30000:36:37.310 prices came down and cold enough we're 00:36:40.12000:36:40.130 burning gas 00:36:41.67000:36:41.680 as much as possible we even have the 00:36:43.92000:36:43.930 capability to burden here at West as we 00:36:47.25000:36:47.260 go through our upgrades at West which 00:36:49.07900:36:49.089 again I'll tell you a little bit more 00:36:50.46000:36:50.470 about what we're doing but we'll see our 00:36:53.64000:36:53.650 cold eventually go away towards a 00:36:56.49000:36:56.500 hundred percent gas after 2015 boiler 00:37:00.99000:37:01.000 MACT upgrades a little shot of our 00:37:05.13000:37:05.140 efficiency it's just a you know a 00:37:08.16000:37:08.170 spreadsheet we keep track of our our 00:37:10.52000:37:10.530 consumption of fuel and our production 00:37:13.20000:37:13.210 of steam and electricity each day and 00:37:16.26000:37:16.270 here you can just see how a kind of 00:37:18.29900:37:18.309 fluctuates a little bit here with how we 00:37:20.57900:37:20.589 were operating Westland and peaking with 00:37:22.55900:37:22.569 east and then really in in June May June 00:37:27.83900:37:27.849 timeframe of 2011 we started full-time 00:37:35.30900:37:35.319 with the East Campus steam plant running 00:37:37.55900:37:37.569 it and our efficiencies overall and for 00:37:40.17000:37:40.180 our overall district energy system have 00:37:43.53000:37:43.540 leveled out right up here around 70% 00:37:45.29900:37:45.309 when it's when it's producing a hundred 00:37:48.24000:37:48.250 percent of its power thank you okay so 00:37:53.22000:37:53.230 as efficiency is important to Penn State 00:37:56.16000:37:56.170 so is sustainability and greenhouse gas 00:37:58.85900:37:58.869 production so if you look at the top 00:38:00.69000:38:00.700 line it is our energy consumption over 00:38:05.06900:38:05.079 the past several years and you can see 00:38:07.62000:38:07.630 the Green Line which is our greenhouse 00:38:09.35900:38:09.369 gasses tracked that energy consumption 00:38:13.28900:38:13.299 like for a very long time and then we 00:38:15.53900:38:15.549 committed to at first a 17% reduction 00:38:19.14000:38:19.150 and now unofficially we're looking at a 00:38:22.23000:38:22.240 35% reduction and as you see this wedge 00:38:25.95000:38:25.960 shape that occurs toward the end of the 00:38:28.20000:38:28.210 graph and we'll see it here that's ok 00:38:31.41000:38:31.420 you'll this blue wedge safe you'll start 00:38:33.83900:38:33.849 to see that more and more often and the 00:38:35.76000:38:35.770 biggest reason behind that reduction is 00:38:41.03900:38:41.049 that when we put in the CT and be 00:38:44.13000:38:44.140 displaced anywhere between thirty to a 00:38:46.62000:38:46.630 hundred thousand pounds of steam with 00:38:49.44000:38:49.450 gas fuel versus coal fuel we 00:38:54.12000:38:54.130 automatically saw 00:38:55.29000:38:55.300 greenhouse gas reduction but we also 00:38:57.39000:38:57.400 displace you know millions and millions 00:39:00.06000:39:00.070 of kilowatt hours that we bought from 00:39:02.22000:39:02.230 the PJM grid and if you're familiar with 00:39:05.01000:39:05.020 the Northeast we are still over 50% coal 00:39:08.28000:39:08.290 on our PJM grid so not only do we burn a 00:39:12.06000:39:12.070 cleaner fuel but we also make our own 00:39:15.36000:39:15.370 cleaner electricity so that we're not 00:39:18.89000:39:18.900 contributing in that way to greenhouse 00:39:21.12000:39:21.130 gases so another part of that is not 00:39:24.75000:39:24.760 only do we make building improvements 00:39:28.44000:39:28.450 through a program called energy savings 00:39:31.20000:39:31.210 projects we also have started targeting 00:39:33.90000:39:33.910 some energy savings projects at our 00:39:36.45000:39:36.460 utilities so energy efficiency changing 00:39:41.13000:39:41.140 fuels and this is just a picture of our 00:39:43.59000:39:43.600 electric load which has remained pretty 00:39:46.14000:39:46.150 steady it's the red and then the coal is 00:39:48.87000:39:48.880 shown in the white and it's starting to 00:39:51.27000:39:51.280 go down as our natural gas load is 00:39:53.34000:39:53.350 starting to increase the oil plays a 00:39:56.19000:39:56.200 very minimal role again we use a diesel 00:39:59.85000:39:59.860 only as a backup and that is the light 00:40:04.35000:40:04.360 red ok so then the next slide is just an 00:40:09.84000:40:09.850 example it's that wedge shape again and 00:40:12.33000:40:12.340 it shows you where we've concentrated 00:40:14.01000:40:14.020 our efforts and the big black wedge is 00:40:17.42000:40:17.430 what we contribute to making that switch 00:40:20.64000:40:20.650 to the CHP that the CT and the heat 00:40:24.63000:40:24.640 recovery steam generator the very bottom 00:40:27.51000:40:27.520 white wedge is the difference that we'll 00:40:30.09000:40:30.100 see because will already have been on 00:40:32.46000:40:32.470 gas when we go if we go to a second CT 00:40:36.33000:40:36.340 Herzing combination 00:40:41.84000:40:41.850 Shone's our co2 reduction over time so 00:40:45.14000:40:45.150 again we're heading towards pool natural 00:40:48.02000:40:48.030 gas operation and this just gives you a 00:40:50.36000:40:50.370 reduction from basically from the cold 00:40:52.79000:40:52.800 fire two hundred thousand tons a year of 00:40:55.43000:40:55.440 co2 down to a little under a hundred 00:40:57.73000:40:57.740 thousand and our next steps is here at 00:41:00.89000:41:00.900 West Campus we have to comply with the 00:41:02.93000:41:02.940 boiler MACT and to do that we'll we will 00:41:06.58000:41:06.590 change from coal to natural gas and as 00:41:10.70000:41:10.710 part of that we're looking at a second 00:41:13.31000:41:13.320 CT Herzing so if you remember our low 00:41:15.74000:41:15.750 steam flow in the winter is about eighty 00:41:18.20000:41:18.210 thousand pounds an hour and unfired 00:41:20.89000:41:20.900 operating just with the CT it's about 00:41:23.15000:41:23.160 thirty thousand so it looks like a 00:41:24.80000:41:24.810 second CT fits our low profile and again 00:41:29.12000:41:29.130 it would go on the West Campus steam 00:41:30.71000:41:30.720 plant replacing you're looking at more 00:41:34.19000:41:34.200 coal-fired boilers over here you'll see 00:41:37.07000:41:37.080 two packaged boilers when the MACT is 00:41:38.81000:41:38.820 done and if the evaluation continues on 00:41:42.44000:41:42.450 and we can do it we put Oct and 00:41:45.23000:41:45.240 rehearsing combination they're quickly 00:41:49.52000:41:49.530 going through their this is our West 00:41:51.17000:41:51.180 Campus CHP something we've been doing 00:41:53.15000:41:53.160 for a long time and the layout of the 00:41:57.44000:41:57.450 West plant so here's the boiler MACT 00:41:59.45000:41:59.460 solution to new packaged boilers and 00:42:02.68000:42:02.690 keeping the old coal-fired boilers until 00:42:05.66000:42:05.670 we could one day find a way to put in a 00:42:08.44000:42:08.450 CT with a her stake so the current 00:42:15.76000:42:15.770 program to convert our power plant from 00:42:19.58000:42:19.590 coal to natural gas does not include 00:42:21.98000:42:21.990 additional funding for a second CT 00:42:24.68000:42:24.690 herceg we're looking hard at that it's 00:42:27.47000:42:27.480 being funded through our energy program 00:42:29.57000:42:29.580 and again Paul just told you what our 00:42:32.39000:42:32.400 costs were when we did the first CT the 00:42:35.33000:42:35.340 first CT makes sense now with the 00:42:37.43000:42:37.440 economics change second CT it's starting 00:42:40.13000:42:40.140 to make sense we have a 60 million 00:42:44.27000:42:44.280 dollar budget that is primarily for 00:42:46.85000:42:46.860 building and utility energy improvements 00:42:49.40000:42:49.410 this is what I had hoped it looked like 00:42:51.32000:42:51.330 the next slide shows you if we decide to 00:42:54.65000:42:54.660 fund the seats 00:42:55.49000:42:55.500 a person from our energy program that we 00:42:58.16000:42:58.170 do that at the expense of some building 00:43:01.13000:43:01.140 improvements so this is where we are now 00:43:02.96000:43:02.970 does it make sense to save energy and 00:43:05.63000:43:05.640 operate efficiently with a new CT or 00:43:07.94000:43:07.950 make improvements in our buildings again 00:43:11.45000:43:11.460 that was our wedge about white wedge at 00:43:15.32000:43:15.330 the very bottom would go away and 00:43:17.39000:43:17.400 actually fold up into the lime green 00:43:19.64000:43:19.650 which is our building improvements 00:43:21.38000:43:21.390 because it would be funded from that 00:43:23.09000:43:23.100 project thank you excellent thank you 00:43:34.34000:43:34.350 Paul and Laura thank you for that very 00:43:36.35000:43:36.360 interesting and informative presentation 00:43:37.94000:43:37.950 about Penn State University of CHP and 00:43:40.79000:43:40.800 energy-efficient I I will pose questions 00:43:44.90000:43:44.910 to our panelists that have been 00:43:46.28000:43:46.290 submitted during today's webinar a large 00:43:48.56000:43:48.570 number of insightful questions are on 00:43:50.75000:43:50.760 our plate so I'm going to jump right 00:43:51.77000:43:51.780 into them however before I do so please 00:43:54.86000:43:54.870 note that we intend to answer each 00:43:56.66000:43:56.670 submitted question either directly via a 00:43:59.18000:43:59.190 go to webinars functionality via email 00:44:02.12000:44:02.130 or during this question and answer 00:44:03.77000:44:03.780 session so the first question we have on 00:44:07.01000:44:07.020 our plate here is for Jay Jay why was 00:44:10.28000:44:10.290 the NPV negative when we should appeared 00:44:12.74000:44:12.750 to be while came back was on the order 00:44:15.02000:44:15.030 of five years 00:44:22.03000:44:22.040 yes the NPV calculation is compared 00:44:26.30000:44:26.310 against the base reference case so when 00:44:29.57000:44:29.580 you calculate a positive IR and payback 00:44:33.26000:44:33.270 it's against which is the end they all 00:44:35.84000:44:35.850 were negative NPV s but it's compared 00:44:38.63000:44:38.640 against the savings in the differential 00:44:40.28000:44:40.290 the mtv's in cash flow that you see 00:44:43.37000:44:43.380 against the base case analysis which is 00:44:45.65000:44:45.660 either the package boiler installation 00:44:48.52000:44:48.530 for the new package boilers or against 00:44:51.17000:44:51.180 the Coal Fired reference continuing 00:44:53.60000:44:53.610 coal-fired plant operations I wouldn't 00:45:17.00000:45:17.010 say unusual challenges I think we have 00:45:18.77000:45:18.780 the normal challenges for air permits 00:45:20.69000:45:20.700 the East plant took it might have been a 00:45:24.53000:45:24.540 12-month process from start to finish by 00:45:26.63000:45:26.640 the time we got the permit but I don't 00:45:28.91000:45:28.920 we just went through the normal PA 00:45:31.24000:45:31.250 Pennsylvania central DEP process alright 00:45:39.38000:45:39.390 excellent always good to hear that 00:45:40.73000:45:40.740 Sperling is not an obstacle as I do 00:45:43.67000:45:43.680 personally know that then sometimes 00:45:45.34900:45:45.359 proceed to do the case then moving right 00:45:47.90000:45:47.910 along because time is of the essence 00:45:49.55000:45:49.560 here the next one is for J and J given 00:45:52.94000:45:52.950 your experience with project development 00:45:54.92000:45:54.930 what is the major barrier I think as 00:46:04.67000:46:04.680 each of the owners on industrial sites 00:46:07.31000:46:07.320 or institutional's I face this and I 00:46:09.38000:46:09.390 think Paul kind of covered this is there 00:46:11.63000:46:11.640 really internal as far as capital 00:46:13.88000:46:13.890 budgeting process and just Co overcoming 00:46:16.01000:46:16.020 that is being as I showed in the total 00:46:18.53000:46:18.540 project cost slide you can see that to 00:46:21.29000:46:21.300 consider a package boilers versus a CHP 00:46:23.75000:46:23.760 plant that's an order of magnitude 00:46:25.94000:46:25.950 difference in cost required and trying 00:46:28.82000:46:28.830 to cover those development projects in a 00:46:30.62000:46:30.630 capital budget is you know Kalyn 00:46:33.53000:46:33.540 and how you plan and how you approach 00:46:35.48000:46:35.490 that especially if it's like an 00:46:37.85000:46:37.860 industrial where you know power thermal 00:46:40.25000:46:40.260 is not your core competency of what you 00:46:43.04000:46:43.050 want to focus your investments on so you 00:46:46.79000:46:46.800 know really that's a that's a large 00:46:48.86000:46:48.870 hurdle is to make that step out to 00:46:51.83000:46:51.840 increment that capital expenditures 00:46:54.82000:46:54.830 where it's not your core business and 00:46:58.57000:46:58.580 the next one certainly is just 00:47:00.83000:47:00.840 understanding the value of the benefit 00:47:04.94000:47:04.950 to and the value to the project of 00:47:06.94000:47:06.950 considering selling electricity to the 00:47:10.06000:47:10.070 local and the benefits information HP 00:47:31.85000:47:31.860 system comes certified qualified 00:47:34.46000:47:34.470 facility that's what certainly is part 00:47:47.72000:47:47.730 of the deal we at EPA CHP initiative is 00:47:51.17000:47:51.180 going state-by-state and developing 00:47:53.57000:47:53.580 those scenarios and what I would say is 00:47:56.72000:47:56.730 that if you look at it's a different 00:47:59.57000:47:59.580 answer for different regions because if 00:48:02.36000:48:02.370 you are in an unbreaking region there 00:48:04.55000:48:04.560 are opportunities depending on the size 00:48:06.53000:48:06.540 of your CHP to maximize the value by 00:48:10.04000:48:10.050 participating in those wholesale markets 00:48:12.14000:48:12.150 where you might be in New England ISO or 00:48:14.63000:48:14.640 ISO New York or PJM as examples or 00:48:18.08000:48:18.090 myself and benefiting from trading power 00:48:21.07000:48:21.080 versus contracting directly with a local 00:48:24.35000:48:24.360 utility for like a power purchase 00:48:25.76000:48:25.770 agreement so and those are some 00:48:28.31000:48:28.320 something you have to balance based on a 00:48:29.66000:48:29.670 site-specific issue if you're in a 00:48:31.64000:48:31.650 regulated territory where the utility is 00:48:33.97000:48:33.980 is providing it integrated and 00:48:36.53000:48:36.540 vertically integrated regulated power 00:48:38.66000:48:38.670 and or if you're an unregulated the 00:48:41.39000:48:41.400 options are totally different as far as 00:48:43.04000:48:43.050 how you might look at participating in 00:48:45.86000:48:45.870 the wholesale 00:48:46.46000:48:46.470 market and when I say participate 00:48:49.15000:48:49.160 transaction go both ways and that 00:48:51.56000:48:51.570 includes access to standby power in 00:48:53.99000:48:54.000 addition and backup power in addition to 00:48:56.51000:48:56.520 selling your excess power everyone thank 00:49:01.22000:49:01.230 you very much 00:49:02.08900:49:02.099 I've been told that I might be not 00:49:04.52000:49:04.530 coming through quite so clearly so I 00:49:05.87000:49:05.880 will raise my voice in hopes that 00:49:07.04000:49:07.050 everyone can hear me the next question 00:49:09.10900:49:09.119 is for Paul and Lauren I believe on 00:49:11.75000:49:11.760 slide 14 you had a graph or a chart that 00:49:15.26000:49:15.270 showed that greenhouse gas emissions and 00:49:17.30000:49:17.310 purchase energy had decreased recently 00:49:20.00000:49:20.010 is this due to reduced purchases of 00:49:22.60900:49:22.619 energy or due to changes in greenhouse 00:49:25.07000:49:25.080 gas content of purchased electricity 00:49:27.10900:49:27.119 bottom line can you elaborate please 00:49:29.47000:49:29.480 it's actually due to both because we're 00:49:34.16000:49:34.170 offsetting between a hundred thousand 00:49:37.49000:49:37.500 pounds of steam coal so green the 00:49:46.19000:49:46.200 greenhouse gas and secondly we're making 00:49:56.63000:49:56.640 about seven megawatts per hour of 00:49:59.39000:49:59.400 electricity with that natural gas and 00:50:02.53000:50:02.540 we're not buying that electricity making 00:50:15.41000:50:15.420 a cleaner electric electron fantastic 00:50:26.75000:50:26.760 thank you very much we're down to about 00:50:28.52000:50:28.530 four minutes remaining so we've got a 00:50:30.38000:50:30.390 few more questions I believe we can 00:50:31.82000:50:31.830 squeeze in so next up another one for 00:50:34.79000:50:34.800 Jay and the question is what impacts 00:50:37.01000:50:37.020 have you seen on project viability from 00:50:40.13000:50:40.140 the anticipated cost associated with 00:50:42.26000:50:42.270 utility interconnection changes and 00:50:44.27000:50:44.280 standby charges yeah I think that's 00:50:47.51000:50:47.520 probably a follow-on from maybe the last 00:50:49.57900:50:49.589 question it is something you have to 00:50:52.13000:50:52.140 consider because in certain regions they 00:50:54.17000:50:54.180 have been significant 00:50:55.27000:50:55.280 in the past but again I will say that 00:50:58.06000:50:58.070 there are state-by-state initiatives 00:50:59.95000:50:59.960 where you're dealing with a regulated 00:51:01.87000:51:01.880 utility - I'll say better facilitate the 00:51:07.21000:51:07.220 economics of CHP development that those 00:51:10.90000:51:10.910 standby charges be reconsidered and as 00:51:13.69000:51:13.700 they use the state of Ohio as an example 00:51:15.73000:51:15.740 I know through their P PUC of Ohio that 00:51:19.98000:51:19.990 they are embarking on you know trying to 00:51:23.17000:51:23.180 develop new regulations and guidelines 00:51:25.57000:51:25.580 that they follow for promoting CHP as it 00:51:28.33000:51:28.340 relates to you know significant standby 00:51:30.70000:51:30.710 charges if you're in an unregulated 00:51:32.53000:51:32.540 environment certainly those are 00:51:33.85000:51:33.860 something to consider but maybe not as 00:51:36.61000:51:36.620 detrimental to the project economics as 00:51:38.89000:51:38.900 they would be in a regulated environment 00:51:54.36000:51:54.370 in financing regarding Penn State's 00:51:57.64000:51:57.650 efforts specifically its financing an 00:52:00.55000:52:00.560 obstacle for the next stage of the 00:52:02.11000:52:02.120 project and has the University explored 00:52:04.84000:52:04.850 third-party financing options why you 00:52:09.31000:52:09.320 want to keep the project on your own 00:52:10.96000:52:10.970 balance II traditionally when we do 00:52:14.80000:52:14.810 projects related with energy savings or 00:52:17.77000:52:17.780 energy performance contracting we self 00:52:20.77000:52:20.780 fund that money out of our utility 00:52:22.96000:52:22.970 budget because pay for the project are 00:52:25.63000:52:25.640 the utility budget savings hits that 00:52:28.03000:52:28.040 utility budget so in essence you're 00:52:30.19000:52:30.200 having a zero dollar effect to the 00:52:32.89000:52:32.900 budget so complicated third party 00:52:36.64000:52:36.650 agreements have just kept us from going 00:52:40.03000:52:40.040 with that kind of option since we can do 00:52:42.94000:52:42.950 it in-house because the second CT was 00:52:47.29000:52:47.300 not in the original design for our next 00:52:50.95000:52:50.960 project we are looking at financing it 00:52:54.52000:52:54.530 in another way and right now it looks 00:52:57.76000:52:57.770 like the energy projects the energy 00:53:00.94000:53:00.950 which we require an eight-year payback 00:53:04.15000:53:04.160 it looks like that project could meet 00:53:06.79000:53:06.800 those requirements by 00:53:08.27000:53:08.280 initially and economically our question 00:53:10.91000:53:10.920 is do we take that twenty million 00:53:13.22000:53:13.230 dollars and spend it on the CTE or do we 00:53:15.53000:53:15.540 put those twenty million dollars into 00:53:17.18000:53:17.190 building improvements so that's the part 00:53:19.55000:53:19.560 that we're trying to find the right 00:53:22.49000:53:22.500 answer for right now thank you Laura 00:53:29.57000:53:29.580 that's been fantastic 00:53:30.95000:53:30.960 well with that answer our time for Q&A 00:53:33.50000:53:33.510 has pretty much come to an end 00:53:35.03000:53:35.040 I'd like to notify everyone that all 00:53:36.89000:53:36.900 content listed the questions submitted 00:53:38.93000:53:38.940 during today's webinar will be 00:53:40.61000:53:40.620 consolidated into a soon a document and 00:53:43.24000:53:43.250 distributed to all attendees with 00:53:45.23000:53:45.240 information that we mentioned at the 00:53:46.52000:53:46.530 beginning of the webinar so keep an eye 00:53:48.50000:53:48.510 out for an email from the EPA 00:53:49.85000:53:49.860 partnership with additional information 00:53:51.61000:53:51.620 Jay Paul Laura thank you very much for 00:53:56.06000:53:56.070 making your expertise available by 00:53:57.92000:53:57.930 participating in today's webinar
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