Lennox Gas Furnace - Cracked Heat Exchanger

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all right hi my name is Steve Holland
00:00:02.210 00:00:02.220 I'm with rapid tech I'm a trainer here
00:00:03.710 00:00:03.720 and in this video we're gonna go over
00:00:05.809 00:00:05.819 the Lennox g20 this is their curved heat
00:00:09.860 00:00:09.870 exchanger most of their heat exchangers
00:00:11.720 00:00:11.730 going back to like the 1960s and 70s
00:00:14.030 00:00:14.040 were what they had at one time called
00:00:15.620 00:00:15.630 that the dura curve and there was a G
00:00:18.080 00:00:18.090 series this is their whisper heat
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00:00:56.600 00:00:56.610 take a look alright here's the video
00:00:59.900 00:00:59.910 this is the one I film the other day
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00:01:03.080 00:01:03.090 video and short little video and then
00:01:05.719 00:01:05.729 we'll go on possible causes on why this
00:01:07.460 00:01:07.470 particular fails every single time I'm
00:01:51.560 00:01:51.570 going to show you where they fail all
00:01:53.270 00:01:53.280 right what we call mu deficient so even
00:02:01.310 00:02:01.320 though your primary heat exchanger is
00:02:03.350 00:02:03.360 under summer and somewhat of a negative
00:02:04.910 00:02:04.920 pressure it's under Atmos negative
00:02:06.770 00:02:06.780 atmospheric pressure based on the draft
00:02:09.199 00:02:09.209 in the chimney unlike a efficient
00:02:12.559 00:02:12.569 furnace
00:02:13.690 00:02:13.700 it uses a vent mortar what's drawing the
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00:02:18.530 00:02:18.540 negative pressure but I'll show you
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00:02:21.020 00:02:21.030 failure what you see right there my
00:02:58.970 00:02:58.980 camera got caught up on the insulation
00:03:00.470 00:03:00.480 sorry about that technical difficulty
00:03:08.840 00:03:08.850 there but you'll get this you
00:03:21.370 00:03:21.380 there's a fracture alright you can see
00:03:25.190 00:03:25.200 it tricky one but sometimes you cannot
00:03:31.540 00:03:31.550 you can see it from the front here if
00:03:35.600 00:03:35.610 you take off on the older model who used
00:03:40.400 00:03:40.410 to do is we take they didn't have this
00:03:42.370 00:03:42.380 you can have that you had basically some
00:03:48.050 00:03:48.060 burners that came out these ribbon
00:03:50.240 00:03:50.250 burners with some elephant you can look
00:03:51.710 00:03:51.720 up inside there but here's what I'll
00:03:53.750 00:03:53.760 tell you about this particular laughter
00:03:55.400 00:03:55.410 Havel apps that have that curve each
00:03:57.380 00:03:57.390 ginger in the back of the you cedar in
00:04:01.370 00:04:01.380 the front wherever it turns it comes
00:04:03.020 00:04:03.030 down and it curves like this it's got
00:04:04.790 00:04:04.800 that they call it a dirt curve wherever
00:04:08.360 00:04:08.370 you see that is where you'll find
00:04:09.770 00:04:09.780 failure and on the back of the furnace
00:04:12.880 00:04:12.890 it's going to be right in this neck of
00:04:16.490 00:04:16.500 the woods all right and maybe I'll show
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00:04:24.170 00:04:24.180 guys must really cut them open in the
00:04:25.460 00:04:25.470 field don't be cutting them open in the
00:04:27.050 00:04:27.060 field all right there you have it Wow
00:04:32.440 00:04:32.450 alright so yeah we had a little problem
00:04:34.490 00:04:34.500 with the insulation on that one but the
00:04:36.800 00:04:36.810 next slide I'm going to show you or the
00:04:39.560 00:04:39.570 next part of this video I've got some
00:04:40.790 00:04:40.800 really good pictures that I've taken
00:04:41.690 00:04:41.700 over the years I started doing this you
00:04:45.080 00:04:45.090 know 27 years ago as an HVAC technician
00:04:47.330 00:04:47.340 I still I am but one of the things that
00:04:50.029 00:04:50.039 then I started doing as I started
00:04:52.010 00:04:52.020 archiving heat exchangers if you go um
00:04:55.340 00:04:55.350 if you go visit our heat exchangers
00:04:57.290 00:04:57.300 safety its heat exchanger safety comm if
00:05:00.290 00:05:00.300 you visit that site you'll see a bunch
00:05:01.730 00:05:01.740 of the stuff I've archived I literally
00:05:03.020 00:05:03.030 have thousands of pictures of heat
00:05:04.790 00:05:04.800 exchangers furnace failures a lot of
00:05:07.640 00:05:07.650 that stuff is available on that site
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00:05:11.540 00:05:11.550 service tech and you want to show a
00:05:13.130 00:05:13.140 customer a third-party site it's all
00:05:15.710 00:05:15.720 there I've got a homeowner section where
00:05:17.690 00:05:17.700 they can learn about why their furnace
00:05:18.920 00:05:18.930 is failing great resource to help
00:05:21.560 00:05:21.570 technicians I've had technicians from
00:05:23.060 00:05:23.070 all over the United States send me
00:05:24.469 00:05:24.479 emails saying hey I you know I just
00:05:26.630 00:05:26.640 closed the deal
00:05:28.040 00:05:28.050 sold sold the customer a new furnace
00:05:29.839 00:05:29.849 because I showed him your site and I was
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00:05:33.010 00:05:33.020 problem I've had other technicians say I
00:05:35.260 00:05:35.270 never knew that about that kind of
00:05:36.640 00:05:36.650 furnace so that's free there's no charge
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00:05:42.760 00:05:42.770 pay for that building all this stuff and
00:05:45.249 00:05:45.259 filming this and our LMS that we have is
00:05:47.830 00:05:47.840 phenomenal the learning system that we
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00:05:52.869 00:05:52.879 but just remember with with our course
00:05:55.240 00:05:55.250 our heat exchanger of course it is a
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00:06:00.939 00:06:00.949 you go alright back to this Lennox
00:06:02.800 00:06:02.810 furnace let's talk about why this may
00:06:06.969 00:06:06.979 have happened and let me see if I can
00:06:10.300 00:06:10.310 find that there's that fracture first of
00:06:20.260 00:06:20.270 all poor design I really think Lennox
00:06:22.180 00:06:22.190 laid an egg on this one they've made
00:06:23.920 00:06:23.930 this furnace for many many years and
00:06:27.089 00:06:27.099 I've worked on thousands I mean not
00:06:30.700 00:06:30.710 exaggerating
00:06:31.659 00:06:31.669 I probably used to do tune ups and
00:06:33.640 00:06:33.650 maintenance PT use on these things
00:06:35.020 00:06:35.030 probably a few hundred a year and I
00:06:38.140 00:06:38.150 found almost you know 95% of them had
00:06:40.510 00:06:40.520 these fractures so I do think Lennox I
00:06:44.439 00:06:44.449 do think that a little issue with design
00:06:46.600 00:06:46.610 here however with all due respect to
00:06:48.969 00:06:48.979 Lennox because Lennox is a good company
00:06:50.740 00:06:50.750 they built some good products matter of
00:06:52.510 00:06:52.520 fact they had a furnace called the
00:06:53.350 00:06:53.360 Lennox pulse that was one of the most
00:06:55.839 00:06:55.849 reliable furnaces ever built it had some
00:06:57.820 00:06:57.830 other issues with that heat exchanger
00:06:59.170 00:06:59.180 under positive pressure and it was a
00:07:00.730 00:07:00.740 little noisy if it wasn't installed
00:07:02.439 00:07:02.449 correctly but they they're a good
00:07:04.330 00:07:04.340 company one of the things that happened
00:07:08.620 00:07:08.630 back in the 1970s and 80s is a lot of
00:07:10.899 00:07:10.909 the contractors were not doing load
00:07:12.249 00:07:12.259 calculations so we did find a bunch of
00:07:14.290 00:07:14.300 these furnaces that were oversized if
00:07:16.719 00:07:16.729 the oversize any furnace you're gonna
00:07:18.249 00:07:18.259 lose a chamber or heat exchanger so
00:07:20.969 00:07:20.979 possible causes let's just let's just
00:07:23.230 00:07:23.240 touch on them real quick poor design is
00:07:25.300 00:07:25.310 it possible yes I can't prove it and I'm
00:07:28.899 00:07:28.909 not gonna throw a Lennox under the bus
00:07:30.339 00:07:30.349 but they know that there was issues with
00:07:33.010 00:07:33.020 this particular heat exchanger we could
00:07:35.559 00:07:35.569 have airflow problems
00:07:36.730 00:07:36.740 static top pressure problems we could
00:07:38.950 00:07:38.960 have lack of maintenance issues okay
00:07:41.670 00:07:41.680 over fired you know some guys used to
00:07:44.499 00:07:44.509 when the weather got cold bitter bitter
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00:07:49.100 00:07:49.110 the furnace or if a furnace was sized
00:07:50.570 00:07:50.580 for a negative 10 degree design town
00:07:52.900 00:07:52.910 some guys would go in and they would
00:07:54.980 00:07:54.990 jack up the gas pressure well that's
00:07:57.500 00:07:57.510 fine and dandy if you're under heavy
00:07:59.090 00:07:59.100 load conditions and those returned air
00:08:01.550 00:08:01.560 temperatures are lower but that's not
00:08:03.950 00:08:03.960 good when it's an average mild winter
00:08:05.630 00:08:05.640 day and now you're over firing a furnace
00:08:07.220 00:08:07.230 by the way I don't recommend you do that
00:08:08.810 00:08:08.820 not suggesting that in this video and
00:08:12.710 00:08:12.720 then you could also have draft issues
00:08:13.970 00:08:13.980 here if you have a poor draft on that
00:08:15.560 00:08:15.570 chimney or chimney problems especially
00:08:18.380 00:08:18.390 old clay line chimneys or even chimneys
00:08:20.540 00:08:20.550 that were brick lined and you didn't
00:08:21.740 00:08:21.750 have the right draft you know you could
00:08:23.870 00:08:23.880 cause what what happened is that flame
00:08:26.120 00:08:26.130 comes off that ribbon burner and all
00:08:27.560 00:08:27.570 that heat and if you're not pulling it
00:08:29.510 00:08:29.520 through that heat exchanger quick enough
00:08:31.250 00:08:31.260 or at the proper negative pressure you
00:08:35.060 00:08:35.070 could have overheating and so you know
00:08:37.310 00:08:37.320 those are all some of the issues that
00:08:38.719 00:08:38.729 could be going on here
00:08:40.160 00:08:40.170 let's take a let's take a look at some
00:08:43.490 00:08:43.500 of the different Lennox furnaces that
00:08:45.770 00:08:45.780 I've archived over the years this is the
00:08:47.720 00:08:47.730 g20 and you can see at the back of the
00:08:49.670 00:08:49.680 heat exchanger where it failed
00:08:50.960 00:08:50.970 here's another g20 totally different
00:08:53.480 00:08:53.490 model and here's a g10 you can see right
00:08:57.680 00:08:57.690 there to fail the arrows point oh by the
00:09:00.110 00:09:00.120 way all these pictures we have a heat
00:09:01.760 00:09:01.770 exchanger guide that technicians can
00:09:03.710 00:09:03.720 purchase or you can purchase it's a full
00:09:05.960 00:09:05.970 guide it's about I don't know half inch
00:09:07.670 00:09:07.680 3/4 of an inch thick by 3/4 of an inch
00:09:09.680 00:09:09.690 thick
00:09:09.980 00:09:09.990 very nice nicely laminated and we've got
00:09:14.450 00:09:14.460 most of the popular furnaces in there
00:09:17.030 00:09:17.040 all these pictures that's where I got it
00:09:18.290 00:09:18.300 from I took it right out of my eat
00:09:19.340 00:09:19.350 exchanger guide there's another g20 you
00:09:21.770 00:09:21.780 can see the fracture and then here know
00:09:24.440 00:09:24.450 one thing I want you to realize if you
00:09:28.850 00:09:28.860 pull the burners you can usually see
00:09:30.230 00:09:30.240 these at the back this same curve okay
00:09:33.620 00:09:33.630 so if we look at this curve right here
00:09:35.180 00:09:35.190 that same exact curve is in the front of
00:09:37.580 00:09:37.590 the heat exchanger right above the
00:09:40.130 00:09:40.140 opening of the runner so right where the
00:09:42.140 00:09:42.150 burner compartment is that same exact
00:09:44.420 00:09:44.430 curve is in the front they also fail
00:09:47.210 00:09:47.220 there and you'll see fractures or cracks
00:09:48.680 00:09:48.690 in that same spot so don't just look at
00:09:51.440 00:09:51.450 the back of the heat exchanger okay so
00:09:53.450 00:09:53.460 right here in the back see this in the
00:09:55.580 00:09:55.590 back don't look just there you got to
00:09:57.950 00:09:57.960 look in the front way up and here as
00:09:59.780 00:09:59.790 well
00:10:00.800 00:10:00.810 the only way you're gonna see it is with
00:10:02.030 00:10:02.040 a mirror or some sort of inspection
00:10:03.740 00:10:03.750 camera we use a very high quality camera
00:10:06.470 00:10:06.480 system that's optical zoom
00:10:08.270 00:10:08.280 infrared we're not this is not something
00:10:10.880 00:10:10.890 you buy at a big-box store these are
00:10:13.130 00:10:13.140 specially designed customized cameras so
00:10:16.490 00:10:16.500 there you have it that's your Lenox
00:10:18.850 00:10:18.860 curved heat exchanger also known as the
00:10:21.680 00:10:21.690 director of many years ago but I could
00:10:23.750 00:10:23.760 tell you if you work on these or service
00:10:25.670 00:10:25.680 these you need to check those curves on
00:10:27.530 00:10:27.540 every single one and lastly you can
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00:10:54.140 00:10:54.150 certification um this is a right here I
00:10:57.260 00:10:57.270 you know I've done a bunch of these
00:10:58.610 00:10:58.620 videos literally hundreds I've only got
00:11:02.270 00:11:02.280 on YouTube a number of them I'm doing
00:11:03.770 00:11:03.780 more and more on YouTube all the time
00:11:05.030 00:11:05.040 but I keep forgetting to tell you guys
00:11:07.370 00:11:07.380 that we have another site called right
00:11:09.050 00:11:09.060 here it's called the heat exchanger
00:11:10.220 00:11:10.230 expert or heat exchanger safety now
00:11:13.010 00:11:13.020 realize it's heat exchanger expert
00:11:14.810 00:11:14.820 without the S the letter S is not me
00:11:17.720 00:11:17.730 that's another guy I know by the way
00:11:19.460 00:11:19.470 he's a great guy
00:11:20.630 00:11:20.640 LS phenomenal really smart I mean
00:11:23.660 00:11:23.670 exchangers but we're a heat exchanger
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00:11:29.510 00:11:29.520 exchanger safety calm and you will have
00:11:32.030 00:11:32.040 access to all of our gallery that's
00:11:33.829 00:11:33.839 pictures all of our stories that we find
00:11:37.010 00:11:37.020 some videos there's a homeowner's
00:11:40.010 00:11:40.020 section in there and that's a great
00:11:41.390 00:11:41.400 resource to use with your customers so
00:11:43.220 00:11:43.230 there you have it there's another video
00:11:45.440 00:11:45.450 on Lennox furnace if you visit our our
00:11:50.240 00:11:50.250 channel you'll see live train on there
00:11:52.100 00:11:52.110 Goodman on there we're uploading
00:11:54.380 00:11:54.390 literally dozens of these things I'm
00:11:56.450 00:11:56.460 guessing by the end of the year we may
00:11:57.710 00:11:57.720 have anywhere from you know one hundred
00:11:59.540 00:11:59.550 and fifty to one hundred more of these
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00:12:07.910 00:12:07.920 and I hope you enjoyed this video and
00:12:09.500 00:12:09.510 look forward to doing some
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