Palladium & Silver recovery from MLCC's

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they just wanted to talk about mlcc's
00:00:03.430 00:00:03.440 monolithic ceramic capacitors mostly you
00:00:08.360 00:00:08.370 know scrappers and people mostly pick
00:00:10.370 00:00:10.380 them from circuit boards for palladium
00:00:14.749 00:00:14.759 and silver recovery and one of the one
00:00:24.170 00:00:24.180 of the things with mlcc's one of the you
00:00:27.529 00:00:27.539 know or the main problem when it comes
00:00:29.990 00:00:30.000 to buying them is they're it's it's not
00:00:37.340 00:00:37.350 really the problem in buying and more
00:00:39.049 00:00:39.059 refining them it's it's the it's the
00:00:42.260 00:00:42.270 people that actually pick them because
00:00:45.350 00:00:45.360 there are whilst mlcc's and just about
00:00:49.100 00:00:49.110 on every board every modern board you
00:00:52.250 00:00:52.260 can find they're not you know direct
00:00:56.029 00:00:56.039 there are things on boards that also
00:00:57.860 00:00:57.870 that look like mlcc's but actually not
00:01:00.439 00:01:00.449 and so the problem with buying mlcc's of
00:01:04.070 00:01:04.080 off scrappers is is that a good portion
00:01:08.480 00:01:08.490 of them are actually inductors they're
00:01:12.500 00:01:12.510 not capacitors and then MRC sees as
00:01:15.910 00:01:15.920 monolithic ceramic capacitor some of the
00:01:19.789 00:01:19.799 things that look like mlcc's on border
00:01:22.249 00:01:22.259 are monolithic chip inductors they're
00:01:26.450 00:01:26.460 totally different thing and and those
00:01:30.770 00:01:30.780 chip inductors whilst they have a little
00:01:33.859 00:01:33.869 bit of silver and they don't really have
00:01:37.520 00:01:37.530 palladium and so what we're kind of
00:01:41.060 00:01:41.070 really chasing is the Palladium out of
00:01:42.770 00:01:42.780 these mlcc's and the silver is it's
00:01:48.200 00:01:48.210 something that you would you know go for
00:01:50.270 00:01:50.280 afterwards and but basically the if
00:01:57.880 00:01:57.890 assuming that all the mlcc's you pick
00:02:02.120 00:02:02.130 are are actually mlcc's then you really
00:02:07.100 00:02:07.110 the recovery rate is is somewhere around
00:02:11.630 00:02:11.640 2% palladium 10% silver so so for every
00:02:18.530 00:02:18.540 one kilogram of mlcc's you should get 20
00:02:24.290 00:02:24.300 grams of plating and 100 grams of silver
00:02:29.440 00:02:29.450 that's assuming that these mlcc's are
00:02:34.580 00:02:34.590 actually all mlcc's and they're not they
00:02:37.310 00:02:37.320 don't have mlc is mixed English ml CI as
00:02:43.250 00:02:43.260 in a chip inductor now the way you
00:02:49.150 00:02:49.160 identify any capacitor on a circuit
00:02:52.880 00:02:52.890 board is by the code C so a C bring this
00:03:03.230 00:03:03.240 little server board here and we'll have
00:03:08.510 00:03:08.520 a look at a few okay
00:03:10.850 00:03:10.860 now along here our mlcc's and you'll see
00:03:17.390 00:03:17.400 that the the coding every chip
00:03:20.300 00:03:20.310 everything component has a code and a
00:03:24.440 00:03:24.450 capacitor is C and then it will have a
00:03:26.840 00:03:26.850 number C whatever so in this case it's C
00:03:30.040 00:03:30.050 double one five seven C 1 0 8 1 so on
00:03:36.740 00:03:36.750 every one of these is labeled a C ok
00:03:42.160 00:03:42.170 across here
00:03:44.540 00:03:44.550 there also mlcc's against si si si now
00:03:50.600 00:03:50.610 there's a really tiny one here you can't
00:03:53.000 00:03:53.010 see it you might not be on set but it's
00:03:55.670 00:03:55.680 actually labeled an L now an L stands
00:03:58.699 00:03:58.709 for inductor C for capacitor L inductor
00:04:02.449 00:04:02.459 so straight away that tells you that if
00:04:05.630 00:04:05.640 it's an L and it's an it's an inductor
00:04:08.420 00:04:08.430 then it can't be a ml/cc because it's
00:04:11.840 00:04:11.850 not a capacitor so the problem is that
00:04:15.080 00:04:15.090 when people are picking ml CCS off
00:04:18.259 00:04:18.269 boards sometimes they'll use a scraping
00:04:20.900 00:04:20.910 motion and old dull as well as picking
00:04:23.900 00:04:23.910 off these mlc
00:04:25.010 00:04:25.020 CAES though they will that will actually
00:04:27.950 00:04:27.960 scrape off these little mlc eyes
00:04:31.270 00:04:31.280 thinking that their mlcc's and whilst
00:04:36.140 00:04:36.150 they do have a little bit of silver
00:04:37.790 00:04:37.800 they really mess up the the do recovery
00:04:41.450 00:04:41.460 rate on an ml CC so you can't very hard
00:04:44.930 00:04:44.940 to price an ml CC because you just don't
00:04:47.450 00:04:47.460 know what percentage of of them are
00:04:51.529 00:04:51.539 going to actually be inductors and not
00:04:54.140 00:04:54.150 capacitors so the only person you can
00:04:59.510 00:04:59.520 really trust is yourself and if you're
00:05:02.120 00:05:02.130 you know pretty yo you know disciplined
00:05:07.580 00:05:07.590 about it and and just pick your the
00:05:10.249 00:05:10.259 things that are labeled with a c' you'll
00:05:13.670 00:05:13.680 know you'll have they're all mlcc's and
00:05:16.670 00:05:16.680 you'll know you'll have the highest
00:05:17.779 00:05:17.789 palladium content which should be about
00:05:20.420 00:05:20.430 2% now right next to these mlcc's you'll
00:05:25.339 00:05:25.349 see that there these are tantalum
00:05:26.899 00:05:26.909 capacitors they're also capacitors so
00:05:29.480 00:05:29.490 therefore they're also labeled a c c and
00:05:32.149 00:05:32.159 and so on and so this is a confusion now
00:05:37.520 00:05:37.530 we'll scan up the board here now right
00:05:40.730 00:05:40.740 here you can also see a couple of chips
00:05:47.089 00:05:47.099 that look like mlcc's but as you can see
00:05:50.510 00:05:50.520 this is l30 our 40 these are labeled
00:05:55.189 00:05:55.199 elves over here that's an out of 35 l34
00:06:01.700 00:06:01.710 so these are elves so that says that
00:06:04.820 00:06:04.830 they're inductors so therefore they're
00:06:06.709 00:06:06.719 ml c is monolithic chip inductors so
00:06:12.640 00:06:12.650 they don't have palladium so you pick
00:06:15.620 00:06:15.630 these off and you mix them in with these
00:06:18.050 00:06:18.060 and that's that's where the problem is
00:06:21.140 00:06:21.150 so yeah so that's what makes it really
00:06:25.430 00:06:25.440 hard to to buy in our CCS or put a price
00:06:29.570 00:06:29.580 on now
00:06:34.590 00:06:34.600 now he's another he's just a an apple
00:06:41.320 00:06:41.330 motherboard just to have a look at
00:06:44.220 00:06:44.230 mlcc's again so okay so it's a C so
00:06:48.370 00:06:48.380 that's an ml see see that one is that
00:06:50.710 00:06:50.720 one is so they're all mlcc's but again
00:06:55.240 00:06:55.250 that there will be elves in amongst it
00:06:57.850 00:06:57.860 and and and other kinds of things like
00:07:02.140 00:07:02.150 little resistors so when when people are
00:07:04.840 00:07:04.850 scraping they're scraping off all these
00:07:06.850 00:07:06.860 mlcc's in one motion they're picking off
00:07:09.520 00:07:09.530 these resistors as well as inductors and
00:07:12.570 00:07:12.580 all kinds of things and that sort of
00:07:15.280 00:07:15.290 contaminates your mlcc's I'll get a
00:07:20.950 00:07:20.960 better example let's have a look we've
00:07:30.430 00:07:30.440 been okay so this is a laptop
00:07:33.340 00:07:33.350 motherboard and there we mlcc's all
00:07:38.680 00:07:38.690 around it but like looking over here
00:07:42.790 00:07:42.800 there's a tiny one and then this there's
00:07:46.030 00:07:46.040 to next work these two are seized the
00:07:48.520 00:07:48.530 last one is an L so if you scrape all
00:07:50.710 00:07:50.720 three of these this one is not going to
00:07:53.890 00:07:53.900 be what you want so I'd suggest not to
00:07:58.920 00:07:58.930 scrape you know things off the boards
00:08:02.380 00:08:02.390 like like in this case these are very
00:08:04.540 00:08:04.550 tiny but they're all C's so they're all
00:08:06.640 00:08:06.650 mlcc's so in this case you can run your
00:08:11.950 00:08:11.960 screwdriver along and and do it but you
00:08:18.100 00:08:18.110 know when there are so many of them and
00:08:22.860 00:08:22.870 you know you can't really read the
00:08:25.270 00:08:25.280 writing then you know most likely going
00:08:28.150 00:08:28.160 to be mixed up with inductors as well as
00:08:30.720 00:08:30.730 capacitors and the slide here yeah so
00:08:36.220 00:08:36.230 okay so as you can see mlcc's are pretty
00:08:39.550 00:08:39.560 much everywhere and you know palladium
00:08:43.510 00:08:43.520 is worth quite a bit of money you know
00:08:44.860 00:08:44.870 and
00:08:45.550 00:08:45.560 so they it is good value even on CR get
00:08:51.280 00:08:51.290 this everywhere like on CPUs even these
00:08:56.170 00:08:56.180 little things that mlcc's or sometimes
00:08:59.559 00:08:59.569 they are these ones that look like that
00:09:01.300 00:09:01.310 but um is a bit of play diem in there
00:09:06.389 00:09:06.399 mlcc's take them off a little plane in
00:09:11.319 00:09:11.329 there this is a an older slop CPU ok so
00:09:20.309 00:09:20.319 and you've got one here over this side
00:09:24.420 00:09:24.430 they're all mlcc's usually wherever
00:09:30.400 00:09:30.410 there's a CPU around the CPU mostly they
00:09:34.600 00:09:34.610 will be usually always mlcc's the
00:09:37.869 00:09:37.879 resistors would so the inductors will
00:09:40.600 00:09:40.610 normally be over over the edges
00:09:42.730 00:09:42.740 somewhere doing other things but in this
00:09:45.249 00:09:45.259 case all these are mlcc's because it's
00:09:49.230 00:09:49.240 directly behind the CPU so they just run
00:09:54.420 00:09:54.430 screwdriver along then even the little
00:09:58.960 00:09:58.970 dust that you scrape off sometimes these
00:10:05.400 00:10:05.410 the ceramic crumbles and all that that's
00:10:08.319 00:10:08.329 fine just dust
00:10:09.610 00:10:09.620 you know you take it all the dust at all
00:10:14.879 00:10:14.889 and you know here's am is offer an Apple
00:10:20.379 00:10:20.389 g5 server this is a like a similar tool
00:10:24.280 00:10:24.290 to this a slot kind of like a slot CPU
00:10:27.900 00:10:27.910 as you can see the mlcc's running all
00:10:34.030 00:10:34.040 along there beautiful you look at that
00:10:36.610 00:10:36.620 all around and every one of them is
00:10:39.869 00:10:39.879 labeled C and a number ccccc all well on
00:10:45.160 00:10:45.170 these ones here so you know with 2%
00:10:51.009 00:10:51.019 palladium there's quite some value there
00:10:54.249 00:10:54.259 other side
00:10:56.350 00:10:56.360 that row your ladder and in this case if
00:11:02.800 00:11:02.810 it's a server you actually get two of
00:11:04.720 00:11:04.730 these in a server so um yeah they're
00:11:08.680 00:11:08.690 they're awesome okay
00:11:25.480 00:11:25.490 and so this is about the most common
00:11:29.530 00:11:29.540 looking ml/cc it's got the brown sandy
00:11:33.759 00:11:33.769 ceramic in the center sewer caps very
00:11:39.000 00:11:39.010 common so they're all you know nice good
00:11:42.880 00:11:42.890 gonna do almost little squares so they
00:11:45.639 00:11:45.649 have nice chunky little ones it all adds
00:11:49.720 00:11:49.730 up here's a pull that a bigger one might
00:11:56.290 00:11:56.300 give you a better better look a big one
00:11:59.050 00:11:59.060 there so you know they can get quite
00:12:01.660 00:12:01.670 large and they are quite heavy to be
00:12:06.009 00:12:06.019 surprised how much is you know the kilo
00:12:09.069 00:12:09.079 isn't really much and so yeah so that's
00:12:14.980 00:12:14.990 that's damaged so just make sure you
00:12:17.620 00:12:17.630 don't confuse mlcc's with NRC eyes chip
00:12:21.550 00:12:21.560 inductors they will be labeled L okay
00:12:27.960 00:12:27.970 okay camera elf so whenever you see an L
00:12:32.920 00:12:32.930 on the board
00:12:34.120 00:12:34.130 just think about loser L loser don't
00:12:37.780 00:12:37.790 pick it otherwise you're a loser no I'm
00:12:40.120 00:12:40.130 just joking but it's yeah thank go for
00:12:43.509 00:12:43.519 your elves go for the sees and in your
00:12:46.090 00:12:46.100 laughing and just a quick rundown on the
00:12:50.079 00:12:50.089 value mlcc's palladium two percent
00:12:56.100 00:12:56.110 silver ten percent one kilogram of
00:13:00.340 00:13:00.350 mlcc's should give you you know in ideal
00:13:05.769 00:13:05.779 circumstances 20 grams of palladium 100
00:13:09.370 00:13:09.380 grams of
00:13:10.070 00:13:10.080 over 20 grams of plating at $30 a gram
00:13:14.150 00:13:14.160 is $600 100 grams of silver at 65 cents
00:13:18.980 00:13:18.990 a gram this is Australian $65 so one
00:13:24.710 00:13:24.720 kilogram of mlcc's in a perfect world
00:13:29.500 00:13:29.510 should net you $665 if you at the end of
00:13:34.250 00:13:34.260 the refining process so in other words I
00:13:38.930 00:13:38.940 estimate a scrap value for a scrapper or
00:13:42.800 00:13:42.810 a waste buyer to buy it off you $300
00:13:48.070 00:13:48.080 obviously to get the 665 is a whole new
00:13:51.860 00:13:51.870 process it requires refining and so
00:13:55.910 00:13:55.920 obviously there's got to be value in
00:13:57.500 00:13:57.510 there for the refiner unless of course
00:13:59.180 00:13:59.190 you refine them yourself that's kind of
00:14:02.780 00:14:02.790 the figure you're looking at at the
00:14:04.310 00:14:04.320 moment with palladium at seven hundred
00:14:09.410 00:14:09.420 and thirty dollars an ounce it's that's
00:14:14.090 00:14:14.100 us so at that price really there should
00:14:21.140 00:14:21.150 be in a perfect world there should be a
00:14:23.300 00:14:23.310 six hundred sixty five dollars worth of
00:14:25.010 00:14:25.020 precious metals in your mlcc's providing
00:14:29.120 00:14:29.130 the silver is also over and it's not
00:14:31.550 00:14:31.560 nickel or something and and yeah and
00:14:36.890 00:14:36.900 you're able to recover the entire 20
00:14:40.100 00:14:40.110 grams of palladium from that one
00:14:43.370 00:14:43.380 kilogram of and I'll CCS so I I have a
00:14:51.890 00:14:51.900 feeling I'll blab down a bit and
00:14:53.710 00:14:53.720 probably didn't really get to the point
00:14:55.730 00:14:55.740 but this will do for now
00:14:59.500 00:14:59.510 nice big one okay well that's mlcc's
00:15:03.670 00:15:03.680 there on everything all kinds of circuit
00:15:07.820 00:15:07.830 boards modern-day circuit boards well
00:15:10.640 00:15:10.650 worth picking and and stacking for you
00:15:16.190 00:15:16.200 know for a rainy day
00:15:21.210 00:15:21.220 what sort of put me ed through visit
00:15:24.520 00:15:24.530 scrap forum calm thought I you don't
00:15:28.090 00:15:28.100 forget the a you you know chat about
00:15:32.560 00:15:32.570 scrap he waste whatever alright okay
00:15:38.110 00:15:38.120 guys keep scrapping
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