00:00:00.110 they just wanted to talk about mlcc's 00:00:03.43000:00:03.440 monolithic ceramic capacitors mostly you 00:00:08.36000:00:08.370 know scrappers and people mostly pick 00:00:10.37000:00:10.380 them from circuit boards for palladium 00:00:14.74900:00:14.759 and silver recovery and one of the one 00:00:24.17000:00:24.180 of the things with mlcc's one of the you 00:00:27.52900:00:27.539 know or the main problem when it comes 00:00:29.99000:00:30.000 to buying them is they're it's it's not 00:00:37.34000:00:37.350 really the problem in buying and more 00:00:39.04900:00:39.059 refining them it's it's the it's the 00:00:42.26000:00:42.270 people that actually pick them because 00:00:45.35000:00:45.360 there are whilst mlcc's and just about 00:00:49.10000:00:49.110 on every board every modern board you 00:00:52.25000:00:52.260 can find they're not you know direct 00:00:56.02900:00:56.039 there are things on boards that also 00:00:57.86000:00:57.870 that look like mlcc's but actually not 00:01:00.43900:01:00.449 and so the problem with buying mlcc's of 00:01:04.07000:01:04.080 off scrappers is is that a good portion 00:01:08.48000:01:08.490 of them are actually inductors they're 00:01:12.50000:01:12.510 not capacitors and then MRC sees as 00:01:15.91000:01:15.920 monolithic ceramic capacitor some of the 00:01:19.78900:01:19.799 things that look like mlcc's on border 00:01:22.24900:01:22.259 are monolithic chip inductors they're 00:01:26.45000:01:26.460 totally different thing and and those 00:01:30.77000:01:30.780 chip inductors whilst they have a little 00:01:33.85900:01:33.869 bit of silver and they don't really have 00:01:37.52000:01:37.530 palladium and so what we're kind of 00:01:41.06000:01:41.070 really chasing is the Palladium out of 00:01:42.77000:01:42.780 these mlcc's and the silver is it's 00:01:48.20000:01:48.210 something that you would you know go for 00:01:50.27000:01:50.280 afterwards and but basically the if 00:01:57.88000:01:57.890 assuming that all the mlcc's you pick 00:02:02.12000:02:02.130 are are actually mlcc's then you really 00:02:07.10000:02:07.110 the recovery rate is is somewhere around 00:02:11.63000:02:11.640 2% palladium 10% silver so so for every 00:02:18.53000:02:18.540 one kilogram of mlcc's you should get 20 00:02:24.29000:02:24.300 grams of plating and 100 grams of silver 00:02:29.44000:02:29.450 that's assuming that these mlcc's are 00:02:34.58000:02:34.590 actually all mlcc's and they're not they 00:02:37.31000:02:37.320 don't have mlc is mixed English ml CI as 00:02:43.25000:02:43.260 in a chip inductor now the way you 00:02:49.15000:02:49.160 identify any capacitor on a circuit 00:02:52.88000:02:52.890 board is by the code C so a C bring this 00:03:03.23000:03:03.240 little server board here and we'll have 00:03:08.51000:03:08.520 a look at a few okay 00:03:10.85000:03:10.860 now along here our mlcc's and you'll see 00:03:17.39000:03:17.400 that the the coding every chip 00:03:20.30000:03:20.310 everything component has a code and a 00:03:24.44000:03:24.450 capacitor is C and then it will have a 00:03:26.84000:03:26.850 number C whatever so in this case it's C 00:03:30.04000:03:30.050 double one five seven C 1 0 8 1 so on 00:03:36.74000:03:36.750 every one of these is labeled a C ok 00:03:42.16000:03:42.170 across here 00:03:44.54000:03:44.550 there also mlcc's against si si si now 00:03:50.60000:03:50.610 there's a really tiny one here you can't 00:03:53.00000:03:53.010 see it you might not be on set but it's 00:03:55.67000:03:55.680 actually labeled an L now an L stands 00:03:58.69900:03:58.709 for inductor C for capacitor L inductor 00:04:02.44900:04:02.459 so straight away that tells you that if 00:04:05.63000:04:05.640 it's an L and it's an it's an inductor 00:04:08.42000:04:08.430 then it can't be a ml/cc because it's 00:04:11.84000:04:11.850 not a capacitor so the problem is that 00:04:15.08000:04:15.090 when people are picking ml CCS off 00:04:18.25900:04:18.269 boards sometimes they'll use a scraping 00:04:20.90000:04:20.910 motion and old dull as well as picking 00:04:23.90000:04:23.910 off these mlc 00:04:25.01000:04:25.020 CAES though they will that will actually 00:04:27.95000:04:27.960 scrape off these little mlc eyes 00:04:31.27000:04:31.280 thinking that their mlcc's and whilst 00:04:36.14000:04:36.150 they do have a little bit of silver 00:04:37.79000:04:37.800 they really mess up the the do recovery 00:04:41.45000:04:41.460 rate on an ml CC so you can't very hard 00:04:44.93000:04:44.940 to price an ml CC because you just don't 00:04:47.45000:04:47.460 know what percentage of of them are 00:04:51.52900:04:51.539 going to actually be inductors and not 00:04:54.14000:04:54.150 capacitors so the only person you can 00:04:59.51000:04:59.520 really trust is yourself and if you're 00:05:02.12000:05:02.130 you know pretty yo you know disciplined 00:05:07.58000:05:07.590 about it and and just pick your the 00:05:10.24900:05:10.259 things that are labeled with a c' you'll 00:05:13.67000:05:13.680 know you'll have they're all mlcc's and 00:05:16.67000:05:16.680 you'll know you'll have the highest 00:05:17.77900:05:17.789 palladium content which should be about 00:05:20.42000:05:20.430 2% now right next to these mlcc's you'll 00:05:25.33900:05:25.349 see that there these are tantalum 00:05:26.89900:05:26.909 capacitors they're also capacitors so 00:05:29.48000:05:29.490 therefore they're also labeled a c c and 00:05:32.14900:05:32.159 and so on and so this is a confusion now 00:05:37.52000:05:37.530 we'll scan up the board here now right 00:05:40.73000:05:40.740 here you can also see a couple of chips 00:05:47.08900:05:47.099 that look like mlcc's but as you can see 00:05:50.51000:05:50.520 this is l30 our 40 these are labeled 00:05:55.18900:05:55.199 elves over here that's an out of 35 l34 00:06:01.70000:06:01.710 so these are elves so that says that 00:06:04.82000:06:04.830 they're inductors so therefore they're 00:06:06.70900:06:06.719 ml c is monolithic chip inductors so 00:06:12.64000:06:12.650 they don't have palladium so you pick 00:06:15.62000:06:15.630 these off and you mix them in with these 00:06:18.05000:06:18.060 and that's that's where the problem is 00:06:21.14000:06:21.150 so yeah so that's what makes it really 00:06:25.43000:06:25.440 hard to to buy in our CCS or put a price 00:06:29.57000:06:29.580 on now 00:06:34.59000:06:34.600 now he's another he's just a an apple 00:06:41.32000:06:41.330 motherboard just to have a look at 00:06:44.22000:06:44.230 mlcc's again so okay so it's a C so 00:06:48.37000:06:48.380 that's an ml see see that one is that 00:06:50.71000:06:50.720 one is so they're all mlcc's but again 00:06:55.24000:06:55.250 that there will be elves in amongst it 00:06:57.85000:06:57.860 and and and other kinds of things like 00:07:02.14000:07:02.150 little resistors so when when people are 00:07:04.84000:07:04.850 scraping they're scraping off all these 00:07:06.85000:07:06.860 mlcc's in one motion they're picking off 00:07:09.52000:07:09.530 these resistors as well as inductors and 00:07:12.57000:07:12.580 all kinds of things and that sort of 00:07:15.28000:07:15.290 contaminates your mlcc's I'll get a 00:07:20.95000:07:20.960 better example let's have a look we've 00:07:30.43000:07:30.440 been okay so this is a laptop 00:07:33.34000:07:33.350 motherboard and there we mlcc's all 00:07:38.68000:07:38.690 around it but like looking over here 00:07:42.79000:07:42.800 there's a tiny one and then this there's 00:07:46.03000:07:46.040 to next work these two are seized the 00:07:48.52000:07:48.530 last one is an L so if you scrape all 00:07:50.71000:07:50.720 three of these this one is not going to 00:07:53.89000:07:53.900 be what you want so I'd suggest not to 00:07:58.92000:07:58.930 scrape you know things off the boards 00:08:02.38000:08:02.390 like like in this case these are very 00:08:04.54000:08:04.550 tiny but they're all C's so they're all 00:08:06.64000:08:06.650 mlcc's so in this case you can run your 00:08:11.95000:08:11.960 screwdriver along and and do it but you 00:08:18.10000:08:18.110 know when there are so many of them and 00:08:22.86000:08:22.870 you know you can't really read the 00:08:25.27000:08:25.280 writing then you know most likely going 00:08:28.15000:08:28.160 to be mixed up with inductors as well as 00:08:30.72000:08:30.730 capacitors and the slide here yeah so 00:08:36.22000:08:36.230 okay so as you can see mlcc's are pretty 00:08:39.55000:08:39.560 much everywhere and you know palladium 00:08:43.51000:08:43.520 is worth quite a bit of money you know 00:08:44.86000:08:44.870 and 00:08:45.55000:08:45.560 so they it is good value even on CR get 00:08:51.28000:08:51.290 this everywhere like on CPUs even these 00:08:56.17000:08:56.180 little things that mlcc's or sometimes 00:08:59.55900:08:59.569 they are these ones that look like that 00:09:01.30000:09:01.310 but um is a bit of play diem in there 00:09:06.38900:09:06.399 mlcc's take them off a little plane in 00:09:11.31900:09:11.329 there this is a an older slop CPU ok so 00:09:20.30900:09:20.319 and you've got one here over this side 00:09:24.42000:09:24.430 they're all mlcc's usually wherever 00:09:30.40000:09:30.410 there's a CPU around the CPU mostly they 00:09:34.60000:09:34.610 will be usually always mlcc's the 00:09:37.86900:09:37.879 resistors would so the inductors will 00:09:40.60000:09:40.610 normally be over over the edges 00:09:42.73000:09:42.740 somewhere doing other things but in this 00:09:45.24900:09:45.259 case all these are mlcc's because it's 00:09:49.23000:09:49.240 directly behind the CPU so they just run 00:09:54.42000:09:54.430 screwdriver along then even the little 00:09:58.96000:09:58.970 dust that you scrape off sometimes these 00:10:05.40000:10:05.410 the ceramic crumbles and all that that's 00:10:08.31900:10:08.329 fine just dust 00:10:09.61000:10:09.620 you know you take it all the dust at all 00:10:14.87900:10:14.889 and you know here's am is offer an Apple 00:10:20.37900:10:20.389 g5 server this is a like a similar tool 00:10:24.28000:10:24.290 to this a slot kind of like a slot CPU 00:10:27.90000:10:27.910 as you can see the mlcc's running all 00:10:34.03000:10:34.040 along there beautiful you look at that 00:10:36.61000:10:36.620 all around and every one of them is 00:10:39.86900:10:39.879 labeled C and a number ccccc all well on 00:10:45.16000:10:45.170 these ones here so you know with 2% 00:10:51.00900:10:51.019 palladium there's quite some value there 00:10:54.24900:10:54.259 other side 00:10:56.35000:10:56.360 that row your ladder and in this case if 00:11:02.80000:11:02.810 it's a server you actually get two of 00:11:04.72000:11:04.730 these in a server so um yeah they're 00:11:08.68000:11:08.690 they're awesome okay 00:11:25.48000:11:25.490 and so this is about the most common 00:11:29.53000:11:29.540 looking ml/cc it's got the brown sandy 00:11:33.75900:11:33.769 ceramic in the center sewer caps very 00:11:39.00000:11:39.010 common so they're all you know nice good 00:11:42.88000:11:42.890 gonna do almost little squares so they 00:11:45.63900:11:45.649 have nice chunky little ones it all adds 00:11:49.72000:11:49.730 up here's a pull that a bigger one might 00:11:56.29000:11:56.300 give you a better better look a big one 00:11:59.05000:11:59.060 there so you know they can get quite 00:12:01.66000:12:01.670 large and they are quite heavy to be 00:12:06.00900:12:06.019 surprised how much is you know the kilo 00:12:09.06900:12:09.079 isn't really much and so yeah so that's 00:12:14.98000:12:14.990 that's damaged so just make sure you 00:12:17.62000:12:17.630 don't confuse mlcc's with NRC eyes chip 00:12:21.55000:12:21.560 inductors they will be labeled L okay 00:12:27.96000:12:27.970 okay camera elf so whenever you see an L 00:12:32.92000:12:32.930 on the board 00:12:34.12000:12:34.130 just think about loser L loser don't 00:12:37.78000:12:37.790 pick it otherwise you're a loser no I'm 00:12:40.12000:12:40.130 just joking but it's yeah thank go for 00:12:43.50900:12:43.519 your elves go for the sees and in your 00:12:46.09000:12:46.100 laughing and just a quick rundown on the 00:12:50.07900:12:50.089 value mlcc's palladium two percent 00:12:56.10000:12:56.110 silver ten percent one kilogram of 00:13:00.34000:13:00.350 mlcc's should give you you know in ideal 00:13:05.76900:13:05.779 circumstances 20 grams of palladium 100 00:13:09.37000:13:09.380 grams of 00:13:10.07000:13:10.080 over 20 grams of plating at $30 a gram 00:13:14.15000:13:14.160 is $600 100 grams of silver at 65 cents 00:13:18.98000:13:18.990 a gram this is Australian $65 so one 00:13:24.71000:13:24.720 kilogram of mlcc's in a perfect world 00:13:29.50000:13:29.510 should net you $665 if you at the end of 00:13:34.25000:13:34.260 the refining process so in other words I 00:13:38.93000:13:38.940 estimate a scrap value for a scrapper or 00:13:42.80000:13:42.810 a waste buyer to buy it off you $300 00:13:48.07000:13:48.080 obviously to get the 665 is a whole new 00:13:51.86000:13:51.870 process it requires refining and so 00:13:55.91000:13:55.920 obviously there's got to be value in 00:13:57.50000:13:57.510 there for the refiner unless of course 00:13:59.18000:13:59.190 you refine them yourself that's kind of 00:14:02.78000:14:02.790 the figure you're looking at at the 00:14:04.31000:14:04.320 moment with palladium at seven hundred 00:14:09.41000:14:09.420 and thirty dollars an ounce it's that's 00:14:14.09000:14:14.100 us so at that price really there should 00:14:21.14000:14:21.150 be in a perfect world there should be a 00:14:23.30000:14:23.310 six hundred sixty five dollars worth of 00:14:25.01000:14:25.020 precious metals in your mlcc's providing 00:14:29.12000:14:29.130 the silver is also over and it's not 00:14:31.55000:14:31.560 nickel or something and and yeah and 00:14:36.89000:14:36.900 you're able to recover the entire 20 00:14:40.10000:14:40.110 grams of palladium from that one 00:14:43.37000:14:43.380 kilogram of and I'll CCS so I I have a 00:14:51.89000:14:51.900 feeling I'll blab down a bit and 00:14:53.71000:14:53.720 probably didn't really get to the point 00:14:55.73000:14:55.740 but this will do for now 00:14:59.50000:14:59.510 nice big one okay well that's mlcc's 00:15:03.67000:15:03.680 there on everything all kinds of circuit 00:15:07.82000:15:07.830 boards modern-day circuit boards well 00:15:10.64000:15:10.650 worth picking and and stacking for you 00:15:16.19000:15:16.200 know for a rainy day 00:15:21.21000:15:21.220 what sort of put me ed through visit 00:15:24.52000:15:24.530 scrap forum calm thought I you don't 00:15:28.09000:15:28.100 forget the a you you know chat about 00:15:32.56000:15:32.570 scrap he waste whatever alright okay 00:15:38.11000:15:38.120 guys keep scrapping
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