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TPP Exposed - WikiLeaks Publishes Secret Trade Text to Rewrite Copyright Laws, Limit Internet Freedom
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00:00:00.030 WikiLeaks is back in the news after it 00:00:02.36000:00:02.370 published Wednesday part of the secret 00:00:04.70000:00:04.710 text of a massive new trade pact called 00:00:07.40000:00:07.410 the trans-pacific partnership or TPP for 00:00:10.85000:00:10.860 the past several years the United States 00:00:12.44000:00:12.450 and 12 Pacific Rim nations have been 00:00:15.25900:00:15.269 negotiating behind closed doors on the 00:00:17.30000:00:17.310 sweeping agreement on Wednesday 00:00:19.31000:00:19.320 WikiLeaks released a 95 page draft of a 00:00:24.08000:00:24.090 TPP chapter focusing on intellectual 00:00:26.81000:00:26.820 property rights 00:00:28.16000:00:28.170 WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange 00:00:30.50000:00:30.510 appeared in a YouTube video Tuesday 00:00:33.13900:00:33.149 talking about the leak we released today 00:00:35.95900:00:35.969 the secret international the secret 00:00:41.65000:00:41.660 intellectual property chapter what they 00:00:43.67000:00:43.680 call intellectual property but it's 00:00:45.31900:00:45.329 actually all about how to extend the 00:00:48.41000:00:48.420 monopoly rights that come here like 00:00:50.20900:00:50.219 Monsanto which has genetic patents over 00:00:53.42000:00:53.430 wheat in corn 00:00:55.84000:00:55.850 extending the ability of Disney to 00:00:59.66000:00:59.670 criminally prosecute people for death 00:01:02.47900:01:02.489 for downloading films prosecute Internet 00:01:06.38000:01:06.390 service providers Japan introducing 00:01:09.28900:01:09.299 something called they call a pate a 00:01:15.64000:01:15.650 patent prosecution Highway Japan has and 00:01:20.27000:01:20.280 so we released all with the secret 00:01:22.16000:01:22.170 negotiating positions for all 12 00:01:24.38000:01:24.390 countries the WikiLeaks release of the 00:01:27.95000:01:27.960 text comes a week before TPP chief 00:01:30.64900:01:30.659 negotiators summit in Salt Lake City 00:01:32.33000:01:32.340 Utah President Obama and US Trade 00:01:34.60900:01:34.619 Representative Michael Froman reportedly 00:01:36.49900:01:36.509 wished to finalize the TPP by the end of 00:01:38.71900:01:38.729 the year and are pushing Congress to 00:01:40.52000:01:40.530 expedite legislation that grants the 00:01:42.41000:01:42.420 president what's known as fast-track 00:01:44.33000:01:44.340 Authority however this week some 151 00:01:47.27000:01:47.280 House Democrats and 23 Republicans wrote 00:01:49.46000:01:49.470 letters to the administration saying 00:01:50.99000:01:51.000 they're unwilling to give the president 00:01:52.42900:01:52.439 free rein to quote diplomatically 00:01:54.56000:01:54.570 legislate well for more we go to 00:01:56.45000:01:56.460 Washington DC where we host a debate on 00:01:58.55000:01:58.560 the trans-pacific partnership though 00:02:00.41000:02:00.420 Watson's trade policy analysts at the 00:02:02.45000:02:02.460 Cato Institute a libertarian think-tank 00:02:04.63900:02:04.649 and lori wallach the director of the 00:02:06.41000:02:06.420 fair trade group public citizen's global 00:02:08.63000:02:08.640 trade watch we welcome you both to 00:02:10.36900:02:10.379 Democracy Now bill Watson why 00:02:12.89000:02:12.900 you support the TPP well we need to 00:02:16.72900:02:16.739 remember when when we see some of these 00:02:21.46000:02:21.470 reports about the the intellectual 00:02:23.56900:02:23.579 property chapter we need to remember 00:02:25.55000:02:25.560 that the the free trade agreements are 00:02:29.14900:02:29.159 about fundamentally something very 00:02:31.97000:02:31.980 different they are about free trade and 00:02:35.31900:02:35.329 the the value of free trade I think is 00:02:39.89000:02:39.900 is really incontrovertible the United 00:02:43.22000:02:43.230 States has been lowering its barriers 00:02:45.02000:02:45.030 for 50 years to engage in the global 00:02:49.19000:02:49.200 economy in a way that increases growth 00:02:51.09900:02:51.109 economically that improves the quality 00:02:53.11900:02:53.129 of life of people in the United States 00:02:55.03900:02:55.049 we still have a number of protectionist 00:02:58.75900:02:58.769 measures in the United States that an 00:03:00.92000:03:00.930 agreement like the TPP will address 00:03:04.27000:03:04.280 particular to Asia that are at interest 00:03:07.28000:03:07.290 in this Agreement are tariffs quotas and 00:03:10.91000:03:10.920 subsidies dealing with things like 00:03:12.44000:03:12.450 footwear and clothing consumer items 00:03:16.03900:03:16.049 that that these barriers really act as 00:03:18.74000:03:18.750 taxes on the on the poor mostly who end 00:03:23.05900:03:23.069 up paying a larger portion of their 00:03:25.00900:03:25.019 income to support an economic policy 00:03:28.67000:03:28.680 that benefits a select few the the 00:03:32.47900:03:32.489 protectionist measures in place these 00:03:34.15900:03:34.169 trade barriers are our special interest 00:03:37.64000:03:37.650 handouts to big businesses that have 00:03:40.22000:03:40.230 good lobbying efforts in Washington DC 00:03:42.94900:03:42.959 the the purpose of a free trade 00:03:45.25900:03:45.269 agreement is to overcome an inherent 00:03:48.74000:03:48.750 political difficulty in getting rid of 00:03:50.99000:03:51.000 those barriers we know we want to get 00:03:53.05900:03:53.069 rid of the barriers but it's hard to 00:03:55.21900:03:55.229 counteract these special interests 00:03:56.65900:03:56.669 because they have a lot of influence in 00:03:58.67000:03:58.680 Congress so the the idea of a reciprocal 00:04:03.19900:04:03.209 free-trade agreement where the u.s. 00:04:04.87900:04:04.889 lowers its barriers and in exchange 00:04:06.58900:04:06.599 other countries lower theirs is a way to 00:04:08.86900:04:08.879 gain to really to gain special interest 00:04:12.05000:04:12.060 support for the free trade agreement 00:04:13.96900:04:13.979 that US industries that benefit from 00:04:16.72900:04:16.739 export access abroad will lobby they 00:04:20.75000:04:20.760 have a concentrated benefit in the 00:04:22.49000:04:22.500 agreement and and so they will counter 00:04:25.37900:04:25.389 the special interests that are 00:04:27.92000:04:27.930 supporting the existing barriers the end 00:04:30.54000:04:30.550 result ideally is open markets at home 00:04:33.95900:04:33.969 and abroad 00:04:34.86000:04:34.870 and this is a very good outcome the 00:04:37.32000:04:37.330 problem at this point if you could say 00:04:40.23000:04:40.240 there's a problem if we can't if we 00:04:42.65900:04:42.669 could bring in Laurie Wallet to respond 00:04:44.93900:04:44.949 to some of your comes especially in 00:04:46.52900:04:46.539 terms of that we've had lots of 00:04:47.82000:04:47.830 publicity over pharmaceuticals and the 00:04:50.33900:04:50.349 huge disparities and prices of 00:04:52.64900:04:52.659 pharmaceuticals around the globe and how 00:04:54.17900:04:54.189 this might affect the tea under the TPP 00:04:57.62900:04:57.639 agreement Laurie well free trade is a 00:05:02.12900:05:02.139 pretty theory but as yesterday's 00:05:04.95000:05:04.960 WikiLeaks showed the TPP has very little 00:05:08.33900:05:08.349 to do with free trade so only five of 00:05:11.79000:05:11.800 the 29 chapters of the agreement even 00:05:14.55000:05:14.560 have to do with trade at all what's in 00:05:17.21900:05:17.229 that intellectual property chapter what 00:05:19.98000:05:19.990 the Cato Institute would call 00:05:21.42000:05:21.430 rent-seeking government's being lobbied 00:05:24.89900:05:24.909 by special interests to set up special 00:05:27.51000:05:27.520 rules that give them monopolies to 00:05:29.70000:05:29.710 charge higher prices what does that mean 00:05:32.27900:05:32.289 for you and me in that agreement we now 00:05:35.01000:05:35.020 can see the United States is pushing for 00:05:37.70900:05:37.719 longer monopoly patents for medicines 00:05:40.17000:05:40.180 that would increase the prices here 00:05:42.11900:05:42.129 they're looking for patenting things 00:05:44.51900:05:44.529 like surgical procedures making an even 00:05:47.27900:05:47.289 higher medical costs they're looking to 00:05:49.76900:05:49.779 patent life forms and seeds and with 00:05:53.18900:05:53.199 respect to copyright the u.s. positions 00:05:56.51900:05:56.529 are actually even undermining US law so 00:05:59.76000:05:59.770 for Internet freedom if he didn't like 00:06:01.95000:06:01.960 SOPA the Stop Online Piracy Act the 00:06:05.54000:06:05.550 domestic law that Congress an amazing 00:06:08.21900:06:08.229 citizen activism killed last year when 00:06:10.70900:06:10.719 it was attempted to be pushed here 00:06:12.24000:06:12.250 domestically huge chunks of soap are 00:06:14.96900:06:14.979 pushed through the backdoor of this 00:06:16.29000:06:16.300 intellectual property chapter now what 00:06:18.48000:06:18.490 the heck is that doing in a free trade 00:06:20.42900:06:20.439 agreement I would imagine the Cato 00:06:22.70900:06:22.719 Institute is also wondering our Adam 00:06:25.98000:06:25.990 Smith and David Ricardo the free trade 00:06:28.52900:06:28.539 philosophers rolling in their graves 00:06:30.46900:06:30.479 because that is protectionism this is 00:06:33.62900:06:33.639 patent monopolies this is copyright 00:06:35.99900:06:36.009 extensions this is actually exactly what 00:06:38.73000:06:38.740 pill just talked about which is powerful 00:06:41.12900:06:41.139 special interests big pharma Disney and 00:06:44.37000:06:44.380 the other big content guys undermining 00:06:46.86000:06:46.870 us as consumers our access to the 00:06:49.20000:06:49.210 Internet our access to affordable 00:06:51.33000:06:51.340 medicine and they're using their power 00:06:53.93900:06:53.949 to put that into an agreement that 00:06:56.10000:06:56.110 they've got misbranded as free trade 00:06:58.58900:06:58.599 that's what's the real TPP so maybe 00:07:02.01000:07:02.020 actually we agree between the consumer 00:07:04.74000:07:04.750 group Public Citizen and Cato that 00:07:07.02000:07:07.030 what's in TPP whatever you think about 00:07:09.08900:07:09.099 free trade ain't so good for most of us 00:07:13.33900:07:13.349 this is a rare occasion where I do agree 00:07:17.18900:07:17.199 with lori wallach i agree that that 00:07:20.58000:07:20.590 what's going on in the IP chapter is a 00:07:22.77000:07:22.780 special interest free for all a grab-bag 00:07:26.18900:07:26.199 us US companies are pushing to get what 00:07:30.30000:07:30.310 they want in these agreements and the 00:07:32.37000:07:32.380 problem really with that is that 00:07:33.93000:07:33.940 intellectual property is not a trade 00:07:35.73000:07:35.740 issue and it shouldn't be in the 00:07:37.05000:07:37.060 agreement originally adding intellectual 00:07:39.71900:07:39.729 property into it the agreement was a way 00:07:41.52000:07:41.530 to bring on more political support to be 00:07:44.70000:07:44.710 able to bring in US companies to counter 00:07:48.08900:07:48.099 other US companies that would oppose the 00:07:50.27900:07:50.289 agreement at this point I think we've 00:07:52.83000:07:52.840 gotten to where the intellectual 00:07:55.35000:07:55.360 property champions are so expansive that 00:07:57.83000:07:57.840 what you're seeing is a domestic 00:08:01.49900:08:01.509 constituency people concerned about 00:08:03.87000:08:03.880 copyright and patent reform who are 00:08:07.02000:08:07.030 opposing the TPP not because of anything 00:08:09.62900:08:09.639 having to do with trade but just because 00:08:11.82000:08:11.830 it's going to reform u.s. copyright and 00:08:13.55900:08:13.569 patent laws so the what I would say is 00:08:17.49000:08:17.500 that we need to have a renewed focus 00:08:19.52900:08:19.539 within these trade agreements to be more 00:08:22.83000:08:22.840 about free trade and less about some of 00:08:25.64900:08:25.659 these other issues like intellectual 00:08:27.24000:08:27.250 property rights but so why should we 00:08:29.37000:08:29.380 even have to depend on WikiLeaks to 00:08:32.69900:08:32.709 provide information on what's in the 00:08:35.15900:08:35.169 this this proposed agreement isn't the 00:08:39.95900:08:39.969 actual just super secrecy under which 00:08:42.65900:08:42.669 this agreement has been worked out raise 00:08:46.01900:08:46.029 questions for ordinary citizens about 00:08:48.18000:08:48.190 why all the secrecy 00:08:50.32900:08:50.339 you know I'm certainly 00:08:52.39000:08:52.400 the WikiLeaks published this report 00:08:54.37000:08:54.380 personally I like to be able to read it 00:08:57.01000:08:57.020 it's very interesting I wish that they 00:08:58.90000:08:58.910 would publish the rest of it to show us 00:09:01.78000:09:01.790 the rest of the draft text I don't think 00:09:03.73000:09:03.740 that would be at this point particularly 00:09:05.14000:09:05.150 harmful to the agreement to let us know 00:09:07.09000:09:07.100 something about the countries 00:09:08.07900:09:08.089 negotiating positions but I really I 00:09:11.41000:09:11.420 really disagree that the TPP 00:09:14.38000:09:14.390 negotiations are especially secret 00:09:16.95000:09:16.960 there's a lot that goes on in Congress 00:09:19.48000:09:19.490 that the public doesn't know about when 00:09:21.91000:09:21.920 Congress writes a law we don't know in 00:09:24.40000:09:24.410 advance what it's going to be before it 00:09:26.01900:09:26.029 gets proposed so there's they're still 00:09:29.35000:09:29.360 trying to figure out what the contents 00:09:30.94000:09:30.950 of the agreement will be they they don't 00:09:34.00000:09:34.010 know yet they're working on it so 00:09:35.64000:09:35.650 eventually we'll see something we'll see 00:09:38.41000:09:38.420 it well in advance of when it becomes 00:09:39.85000:09:39.860 law and Congress will have a chance to 00:09:41.41000:09:41.420 decide to vote yes or no on the 00:09:43.03000:09:43.040 agreement lori wallach what most 00:09:44.86000:09:44.870 surprised you about seeing the TPP 00:09:48.01000:09:48.020 agreement for the first time yesterday 00:09:49.66000:09:49.670 you know the WikiLeaks leaked well first 00:09:53.20000:09:53.210 of all this is extraordinarily secret I 00:09:55.78000:09:55.790 followed these negotiations since 1991 00:09:58.51000:09:58.520 with NAFTA and during NAFTA any member 00:10:01.90000:10:01.910 of Congress could see any text in fact 00:10:04.06000:10:04.070 the whole agreement between negotiating 00:10:06.16000:10:06.170 rounds was put in the capital accessible 00:10:08.53000:10:08.540 for them to look at in 2001 the Bush 00:10:11.19900:10:11.209 administration published the entire free 00:10:14.62000:10:14.630 trade area of the Americas text when it 00:10:17.11000:10:17.120 was even in an earlier stage than TPP is 00:10:19.51000:10:19.520 right now on government websites 00:10:21.61000:10:21.620 they've even excluded members of 00:10:23.41000:10:23.420 Congress from observing the negotiations 00:10:25.21000:10:25.220 I mean this is extraordinary and so to 00:10:27.57900:10:27.589 me what was the most horrifying I would 00:10:32.17000:10:32.180 say is the ways in which the US 00:10:34.66000:10:34.670 negotiators are using this agreement to 00:10:37.26900:10:37.279 try and rewrite US law I mean I find it 00:10:40.12000:10:40.130 morally repugnant and outrageous that 00:10:42.76000:10:42.770 the US negotiators we pushing Big 00:10:44.68000:10:44.690 Pharma's agenda to raise medicine prices 00:10:47.86000:10:47.870 for the developing countries in the TPP 00:10:50.57900:10:50.589 people in Vietnam in all the developing 00:10:53.44000:10:53.450 countries that have hiv/aids that have 00:10:55.44900:10:55.459 malaria the need access to generic 00:10:57.91000:10:57.920 medicines and this will cut it off but 00:11:00.07000:11:00.080 they're actually doing it also to us so 00:11:02.80000:11:02.810 to the extent theoretically they're sort 00:11:05.23000:11:05.240 of supposed to be 00:11:06.10000:11:06.110 presenting our interests it would make 00:11:08.01900:11:08.029 cancer drugs in this country more 00:11:09.94000:11:09.950 expensive evergreening of patents 00:11:12.19000:11:12.200 changing just a little tweaky thing the 00:11:14.25900:11:14.269 six year the six hour versus 12 hour 00:11:16.96000:11:16.970 version of Medicine you get twenty more 00:11:18.61000:11:18.620 years of monopoly also undermining our 00:11:21.00900:11:21.019 Internet freedom by rewriting US law 00:11:24.10000:11:24.110 there's language in there where US law 00:11:26.53000:11:26.540 says there's an exception for liability 00:11:28.56900:11:28.579 for US Internet service providers the 00:11:31.63000:11:31.640 u.s. is the only country in that bracket 00:11:33.46000:11:33.470 that's saying no we shouldn't allow that 00:11:35.56000:11:35.570 in TPP its backdoor diplomatic 00:11:38.44000:11:38.450 legislating and that ties into that 00:11:40.63000:11:40.640 business with fast-track why were and 00:11:43.42000:11:43.430 it's not 27 Republican members because 00:11:46.21000:11:46.220 it was a second letter that came out of 00:11:47.65000:11:47.660 Republicans 151 Democrats why were they 00:11:52.21000:11:52.220 always saying together in the last 36 00:11:54.91000:11:54.920 hours 00:11:55.56900:11:55.579 no fast-track trade process we don't 00:11:58.63000:11:58.640 want to give away our constitutionally 00:12:01.38900:12:01.399 granted authority over trade policy and 00:12:03.79000:12:03.800 a big piece of the reason is the left 00:12:06.97000:12:06.980 and the right in Congress may disagree 00:12:09.06900:12:09.079 on what the policy should be but they 00:12:11.59000:12:11.600 actually believe that constitutionally 00:12:13.44900:12:13.459 Congress gets to write our legislation 00:12:15.73000:12:15.740 so the notion of this backdoor 00:12:17.76900:12:17.779 legislating that we saw actually 00:12:19.48000:12:19.490 revealed in this wiki leak it's 00:12:22.68900:12:22.699 precisely what is uniting animating 00:12:25.42000:12:25.430 congressional outrage at the notion that 00:12:27.55000:12:27.560 after being left out of these 00:12:29.29000:12:29.300 negotiations uninformed somehow they 00:12:31.84000:12:31.850 should volunteer to handcuff themselves 00:12:33.67000:12:33.680 so they can be thoroughly steamrollered 00:12:36.28000:12:36.290 and have even their legislative 00:12:38.31900:12:38.329 authority on your mind through this 00:12:40.43900:12:40.449 so-called trade agreement that's really 00:12:43.32900:12:43.339 a backdoor coup d'etat domestic policy 00:12:47.05000:12:47.060 no Watson might this be another place 00:12:48.69900:12:48.709 where you were in lori wallach agree not 00:12:52.12000:12:52.130 really no I see it on fast-track let me 00:12:56.07900:12:56.089 just say that I I don't have a lot of 00:12:58.30000:12:58.310 confidence in Congress's ability to come 00:13:01.72000:13:01.730 in it and and resist special interests 00:13:04.00000:13:04.010 and make good policies on these areas 00:13:05.86000:13:05.870 but actually fast-track is a way for 00:13:08.68000:13:08.690 Congress to exert its influence over 00:13:11.41000:13:11.420 these agreements when it when Congress 00:13:13.38900:13:13.399 passes fast-track it imposes a number of 00:13:16.18000:13:16.190 negotiating objectives one of those if 00:13:18.43000:13:18.440 Congress imposes faster 00:13:19.75000:13:19.760 is to impose to have strong IP measures 00:13:23.20000:13:23.210 in the agreement so you know you don't 00:13:25.90000:13:25.910 necessarily want Congress's input you 00:13:28.57000:13:28.580 know if you're trying to get a good 00:13:29.50000:13:29.510 policy here but you but you do get it 00:13:31.66000:13:31.670 through fast-track and you get increased 00:13:33.67000:13:33.680 transparency fast-track will set the 00:13:35.71000:13:35.720 rules for what the president who the 00:13:38.05000:13:38.060 president has to talk to an inform in 00:13:39.58000:13:39.590 Congress and and how Congress 00:13:40.81000:13:40.820 participates in the agreement but let me 00:13:43.72000:13:43.730 also say you know when Laurie talks 00:13:46.15000:13:46.160 about how increased patent law on 00:13:49.18000:13:49.190 pharmaceuticals is going to harm people 00:13:51.39000:13:51.400 in poor countries like Vietnam I'd like 00:13:54.40000:13:54.410 to point out also that trade barriers 00:13:57.10000:13:57.110 harm people in countries like Vietnam 00:13:59.58000:13:59.590 our trade barriers harm them their trade 00:14:03.22000:14:03.230 barriers harm them it stunts the growth 00:14:05.29000:14:05.300 of their economy prevents them from from 00:14:07.75000:14:07.760 engaging in you know commerce that 00:14:11.44000:14:11.450 increases their quality of life what we 00:14:14.44000:14:14.450 need to do is not ditch the free trade 00:14:17.17000:14:17.180 agreement because some parts of it are 00:14:19.36000:14:19.370 harmful we need to get rid of the 00:14:22.84000:14:22.850 harmful parts and recognize that the the 00:14:25.60000:14:25.610 value of these agreements in improving 00:14:28.24000:14:28.250 quality of life around the world Laurie 00:14:29.65000:14:29.660 well I'm sorry right now under the 00:14:33.01000:14:33.020 so-called trade authority system there 00:14:35.02000:14:35.030 are 600 corporate advisors who with the 00:14:38.47000:14:38.480 executive branch are behind closed doors 00:14:41.28000:14:41.290 making these rules seeing the text I 00:14:43.99000:14:44.000 myself have much more faith in the US 00:14:47.05000:14:47.060 Congress the US public and the US press 00:14:49.69000:14:49.700 and the democratic process with all of 00:14:52.39000:14:52.400 us who will live with the results messy 00:14:54.61000:14:54.620 though democracy maybe having the 00:14:56.68000:14:56.690 ability to make sure these policies work 00:14:58.72000:14:58.730 for us I don't want a bunch of unelected 00:15:01.42000:15:01.430 US trade negotiators and 600 corporate 00:15:04.63000:15:04.640 advisers dictating my future through 00:15:07.81000:15:07.820 so-called trade agreements I mean these 00:15:10.00000:15:10.010 agreements once they're implemented you 00:15:11.80000:15:11.810 can't change a comma unless all the 00:15:14.77000:15:14.780 other countries agree it locks into 00:15:17.65000:15:17.660 place 00:15:18.01000:15:18.020 superglue cements into place one vision 00:15:20.86000:15:20.870 of law that as we've seen has very 00:15:23.23000:15:23.240 little to do with trade it's about 00:15:25.36000:15:25.370 domestic food safety do we have to 00:15:27.64000:15:27.650 import food that doesn't meet US safety 00:15:29.50000:15:29.510 standards it's about setting up 00:15:31.53000:15:31.540 international tribunals 00:15:34.00900:15:34.019 can imagine the Cato Institute likes 00:15:35.66000:15:35.670 that global governance know where US 00:15:38.29900:15:38.309 government could be sued and our 00:15:40.42900:15:40.439 Treasury rated by foreign corporations 00:15:42.29000:15:42.300 who are read seeking compensation for 00:15:45.10900:15:45.119 not having to meet our own laws that our 00:15:47.86900:15:47.879 domestic companies have to meet and I 00:15:49.97000:15:49.980 got to say something about fast track 00:15:51.47000:15:51.480 which is in fact empirically bill fast 00:15:55.57900:15:55.589 track is a huge giveaway of Congress's 00:15:58.06900:15:58.079 authority and for anyone who wants to 00:15:59.98900:15:59.999 get into the weeds please take a look at 00:16:02.15000:16:02.160 my book the rise and fall of fast-track 00:16:04.16000:16:04.170 trade Authority you can get it on trade 00:16:06.28900:16:06.299 watch org WWE trade watch org we looked 00:16:10.30900:16:10.319 at the history of trade Authority since 00:16:12.07900:16:12.089 the founding of the country because of 00:16:14.23900:16:14.249 the old Boston Tea Party Congress the 00:16:16.54900:16:16.559 founders put Congress in charge of trade 00:16:18.91900:16:18.929 so the king couldn't just dictate with a 00:16:21.73900:16:21.749 few special interests what would be our 00:16:23.78000:16:23.790 trade policy and historically Congress 00:16:26.96000:16:26.970 has had the steering wheel the emergency 00:16:29.23900:16:29.249 brake Nixon came up with fast-track in 00:16:31.91000:16:31.920 73 its anomalous 16 agreements ever have 00:16:36.76900:16:36.779 used this handcuff procedure why are 00:16:39.71000:16:39.720 Democrats and Republicans together 00:16:41.23900:16:41.249 saying no more not because they want to 00:16:43.99900:16:44.009 have a seat at the negotiating table but 00:16:46.06900:16:46.079 because they want to roll in the 00:16:47.23900:16:47.249 formative aspects of trade agreements in 00:16:49.81900:16:49.829 the end how they vote on it ain't the 00:16:51.37900:16:51.389 issue the question is upfront is it 00:16:53.41900:16:53.429 going to be in our interests with 00:16:54.91900:16:54.929 accountability and actually not having 00:16:57.49900:16:57.509 these corporate advisors making the 00:16:59.29900:16:59.309 calls or is it going to be a trade 00:17:01.16000:17:01.170 agreement like TPP which Cato must agree 00:17:03.94900:17:03.959 really is not about free trade but has 00:17:06.62000:17:06.630 become really the Trojan horse for all 00:17:09.04900:17:09.059 these other issues so in the end the 00:17:12.07900:17:12.089 process is really important and 00:17:13.76000:17:13.770 historically we've had a new trade 00:17:15.79900:17:15.809 negotiating mechanism every twenty years 00:17:18.94900:17:18.959 until now President Obama's a candidate 00:17:21.76900:17:21.779 said he'd replace it you can find out if 00:17:24.04900:17:24.059 your member of Congress was amongst the 00:17:26.44900:17:26.459 200 who said they'd hold on to their 00:17:28.87900:17:28.889 constitutional authority or if you need 00:17:31.03900:17:31.049 to do a little conversation with your 00:17:32.89900:17:32.909 member you can see all of that and 00:17:34.49000:17:34.500 expose the TPP org that's a website 00:17:37.73000:17:37.740 expose the TPP if I can bring bill 00:17:41.41900:17:41.429 Watson on this issue of because you 00:17:43.58000:17:43.590 yourself mister wants to admit that 00:17:44.81000:17:44.820 there are objectionable part 00:17:46.08000:17:46.090 for to this agreement that need to be 00:17:49.62000:17:49.630 changed but how would that change occur 00:17:51.89900:17:51.909 if the pact is being negotiated 00:17:54.14900:17:54.159 essentially in secret and then 00:17:55.74000:17:55.750 fast-track legislation would require 00:17:57.65900:17:57.669 Congress to have voted up or down how 00:18:00.29900:18:00.309 would the changes occur it's a very good 00:18:03.36000:18:03.370 question and you know to be honest the 00:18:06.06000:18:06.070 problem with issues like intellectual 00:18:09.12000:18:09.130 property is not just in free trade 00:18:11.03900:18:11.049 agreements Congress is not very good 00:18:12.77900:18:12.789 about intellectual property either so I 00:18:15.21000:18:15.220 think that we need to be more active in 00:18:19.49000:18:19.500 explaining to Congress what the right 00:18:21.48000:18:21.490 policies are to use the democratic 00:18:23.76000:18:23.770 process I fast track and and indeed 00:18:27.02900:18:27.039 these negotiations negotiated agreements 00:18:29.46000:18:29.470 are not really a way to bypass Congress 00:18:31.32000:18:31.330 Congress still has say they still have 00:18:33.89900:18:33.909 to approve the agreement they can they 00:18:36.84000:18:36.850 can do a number of things to exert 00:18:39.65900:18:39.669 pressure on the administration to 00:18:41.61000:18:41.620 include certain things they don't always 00:18:43.56000:18:43.570 include very good things going to 00:18:45.87000:18:45.880 Congress is not really the best way to 00:18:48.14900:18:48.159 get the agreements through and indeed 00:18:49.68000:18:49.690 fast-track is a way to increase the 00:18:51.96000:18:51.970 power of Congress in a number of ways 00:18:53.63900:18:53.649 and and so may I agree with lori wallach 00:18:56.15900:18:56.169 there are some dangerous to using 00:18:57.51000:18:57.520 fast-track but but in the end I just 00:19:01.62000:19:01.630 don't see Congress and and and even a 00:19:05.13000:19:05.140 little bit more transparency as really a 00:19:07.62000:19:07.630 panacea for solving these problems this 00:19:10.91900:19:10.929 is a larger issue as we wrap up bill 00:19:13.83000:19:13.840 Watson we gave you the first word lori 00:19:15.26900:19:15.279 wallach you've got the last the bottom 00:19:18.38900:19:18.399 line of all of this is we need a new 00:19:20.10000:19:20.110 procedure to replace fast-track that 00:19:22.47000:19:22.480 gives the public the role and Congress 00:19:25.16900:19:25.179 the role to make sure what will be 00:19:27.14900:19:27.159 binding permanent global laws do not 00:19:30.77900:19:30.789 undermine either a democratic process of 00:19:33.26900:19:33.279 making policies at home that we need or 00:19:35.94000:19:35.950 that lock us into retrograde policies 00:19:38.73000:19:38.740 that the current 600 corporate trade 00:19:41.54900:19:41.559 advisors are writing to impose on us so 00:19:44.07000:19:44.080 we need a new way to make trade 00:19:45.69000:19:45.700 agreements to get different kinds of 00:19:47.37000:19:47.380 agreements and the bottom line with TPP 00:19:49.83000:19:49.840 is as Wikileak just showed it's very 00:19:52.01900:19:52.029 dangerous 00:19:52.62000:19:52.630 it's not about trade you got to find out 00:19:54.84000:19:54.850 about it and you got to make sure your 00:19:56.61000:19:56.620 member of 00:19:57.70000:19:57.710 maintains their constitutional authority 00:20:00.58000:20:00.590 democracy is messy but I myself more 00:20:03.80000:20:03.810 trust the American public the press and 00:20:06.20000:20:06.210 this Congress rather than 600 corporate 00:20:09.20000:20:09.210 advisors we need to make sure what's in 00:20:11.27000:20:11.280 that Trade Agreement suits us and you 00:20:13.91000:20:13.920 all are going to be the difference in 00:20:15.14000:20:15.150 doing that well we'll certainly link to 00:20:17.12000:20:17.130 the document that WikiLeaks has just 00:20:19.52000:20:19.530 leaked the draft TPP proposal lori 00:20:23.12000:20:23.130 wallach thanks for being with us 00:20:24.17000:20:24.180 director of public citizen's global 00:20:25.70000:20:25.710 trade watch and Bill Watson trade policy 00:20:27.56000:20:27.570 analyst at the Cato Institute coming up 00:20:32.98000:20:32.990 [Music]
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