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Why Your New 'High Efficiency' Hot Water Boiler Isn't Saving Money On Fuel Costs
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00:00:00.469 - see boilers are designed to run cool 00:00:04.57900:00:04.589 water temperatures for long periods of 00:00:07.82000:00:07.830 time the old cast-iron style boilers the 00:00:11.18000:00:11.190 ones that are starting to hit the end of 00:00:12.58900:00:12.599 their life cycle after being around for 00:00:14.60000:00:14.610 70 80 90 years are designed to run 00:00:17.45000:00:17.460 really hot water temperature for a short 00:00:20.66000:00:20.670 amount of time welcome back to the atom 00:00:23.02900:00:23.039 eater YouTube project today we're going 00:00:24.65000:00:24.660 to talk about the home heating tragedy 00:00:27.13000:00:27.140 that's been taking place in the United 00:00:29.41900:00:29.429 States with high-efficiency boilers 00:00:33.04000:00:33.050 high-efficiency boilers that are not 00:00:35.54000:00:35.550 saving people the money that they were 00:00:37.25000:00:37.260 promised on their fuel costs and we're 00:00:39.53000:00:39.540 going to really briefly talk about why 00:00:41.27000:00:41.280 that is so kind of like I mentioned the 00:00:45.35000:00:45.360 old boilers that a lot of people have 00:00:47.51000:00:47.520 used to eat their homes are starting to 00:00:49.06900:00:49.079 meet the end of their life cycle and 00:00:50.29900:00:50.309 they work great they last many many 00:00:52.76000:00:52.770 years and I lived in a place that had a 00:00:56.00000:00:56.010 boiler well I lived in an apartment 00:00:57.35000:00:57.360 building there was about a hundred and 00:00:59.36000:00:59.370 twenty year old building and the boiler 00:01:01.52000:01:01.530 probably was 70 years old and it wasn't 00:01:04.54900:01:04.559 until about a year before I moved out 00:01:06.44000:01:06.450 that they finally replaced that unit but 00:01:09.91000:01:09.920 these things do have a life expectancy 00:01:12.17000:01:12.180 and technology has come a long way in 70 00:01:15.74000:01:15.750 years 00:01:16.13000:01:16.140 so what we're seeing now with a lot of 00:01:18.41000:01:18.420 home appliances our Energy Star 00:01:20.30000:01:20.310 appliances refrigerators that use 00:01:22.91000:01:22.920 electricity dishwashers that use less 00:01:24.95000:01:24.960 water less electricity and the same 00:01:27.41000:01:27.420 thing that goes the same thing goes for 00:01:29.35900:01:29.369 our home heating furnaces and boilers 00:01:31.42900:01:31.439 their high efficiency units now so 00:01:35.35900:01:35.369 what's happening is that people are 00:01:37.42900:01:37.439 getting these new units installed and 00:01:39.10900:01:39.119 they're not saving any money and why is 00:01:41.09000:01:41.100 that 00:01:41.63000:01:41.640 it's basically for a few reasons let's 00:01:44.45000:01:44.460 just talk about first off the consumer 00:01:46.42900:01:46.439 side of things and this isn't you know 00:01:49.46000:01:49.470 this isn't intentional but consumers 00:01:52.49000:01:52.500 have been conditioned over many many 00:01:54.77000:01:54.780 decades that they should they're going 00:01:57.44000:01:57.450 to be getting instant gratification from 00:01:59.17900:01:59.189 their heat right the primary purpose of 00:02:01.94000:02:01.950 heat is comfort and historically we turn 00:02:05.03000:02:05.040 on our heat on a cold house the house 00:02:08.27000:02:08.280 gets warm in a relatively short amount 00:02:10.01000:02:10.020 of time again the old boilers they 00:02:12.92000:02:12.930 they are high heat units they heat water 00:02:16.19000:02:16.200 very hot in a short amount of time and 00:02:18.41000:02:18.420 that equals to you being warm relatively 00:02:21.50000:02:21.510 fast high efficiency units this is a 00:02:24.61900:02:24.629 high efficiency boiler is not designed 00:02:27.05000:02:27.060 to do that 00:02:27.94900:02:27.959 but the consumer is still trying to use 00:02:31.30900:02:31.319 them in that fashion so whose fault is 00:02:34.91000:02:34.920 it well you know that this is great 00:02:37.30900:02:37.319 technology this is a fantastic fantastic 00:02:39.75900:02:39.769 piece of technology and when installed 00:02:43.78900:02:43.799 properly and when used properly it can 00:02:46.00900:02:46.019 save you 20 to 30% on your heating costs 00:02:49.11900:02:49.129 but they have to be installed correctly 00:02:51.17000:02:51.180 and they have to be used properly so 00:02:53.89900:02:53.909 what happens what's been happening is 00:02:55.97000:02:55.980 you'll have one of these units installed 00:02:57.67900:02:57.689 and maybe the HVAC person spent six 00:03:01.06900:03:01.079 hours installing this thing for you but 00:03:03.53000:03:03.540 never sits down and explains to you that 00:03:05.95900:03:05.969 really the only similarity between this 00:03:07.97000:03:07.980 boiler and your old boiler is the fact 00:03:10.00900:03:10.019 that they heat hot water in and heat hot 00:03:13.36900:03:13.379 water and send it to your baseboards and 00:03:15.34900:03:15.359 you know there's a big hot water loop 00:03:16.87900:03:16.889 and that's pretty much the only 00:03:18.50000:03:18.510 similarity the technology is 100% 00:03:21.05000:03:21.060 different so what's happening is the 00:03:23.11900:03:23.129 consumer is still trying to use this 00:03:24.58900:03:24.599 boil like their old one where at night 00:03:26.50900:03:26.519 they turn it down 10 degrees and then in 00:03:29.11900:03:29.129 the morning they get up and they turn it 00:03:30.89000:03:30.900 up back to 70 degrees and realize that 00:03:34.52000:03:34.530 their house isn't getting warm or they 00:03:37.30900:03:37.319 go to work in the morning turn the 00:03:39.64900:03:39.659 thermostat down to 63 degrees and they 00:03:41.68900:03:41.699 get home after eight or ten hour shift 00:03:43.78900:03:43.799 and turn it up to 72 and it's not until 00:03:46.75900:03:46.769 midnight that the house finally recovers 00:03:49.36900:03:49.379 and gets back to that 72 degrees but the 00:03:51.86000:03:51.870 consumer is used to the house getting 00:03:53.65900:03:53.669 warm in about 15 minutes so what happens 00:03:56.36000:03:56.370 is the phone calls start pouring into 00:03:57.97900:03:57.989 the HVAC people and the professionals 00:03:59.74900:03:59.759 and say there's a problem here on my 00:04:02.62900:04:02.639 house isn't getting warm well if the 00:04:04.78900:04:04.799 professional had done their job they 00:04:06.22900:04:06.239 would explain to the customer that the 00:04:08.71900:04:08.729 high-efficiency units run cooler water 00:04:11.92000:04:11.930 for longer periods of time so instead of 00:04:15.00900:04:15.019 running hot water through your baseboard 00:04:17.62900:04:17.639 for 10 minutes they run water half that 00:04:21.17000:04:21.180 temperature for three four five six 00:04:23.54000:04:23.550 hours on a continual basis okay 00:04:26.54000:04:26.550 that's why setbacks turning your heat 00:04:28.55000:04:28.560 off when you go to work or it bad they 00:04:30.92000:04:30.930 don't work with high efficiency boilers 00:04:32.54000:04:32.550 and this is a tragedy because this 00:04:34.90900:04:34.919 technology is awesome and can save you a 00:04:36.49900:04:36.509 ton of money but if you're not educated 00:04:38.48000:04:38.490 on the new way you need to be utilizing 00:04:40.18900:04:40.199 your thermostats with these boilers 00:04:41.51000:04:41.520 you're not going to save any money I'll 00:04:44.27000:04:44.280 give you an example of the tragedy from 00:04:46.24900:04:46.259 the professional side a lot of times 00:04:48.92000:04:48.930 what happens they get these calls and 00:04:50.48000:04:50.490 this actually happened with the old 00:04:51.98000:04:51.990 owners of this home with this boiler 00:04:54.04000:04:54.050 they call a it's not warm enough in here 00:04:56.71900:04:56.729 it's taken a really long time for the 00:04:58.27900:04:58.289 house to eat up and a well-trained HVAC 00:05:02.30000:05:02.310 professional would have been able to 00:05:04.01000:05:04.020 explain well you know this is a 00:05:05.39000:05:05.400 modulating condensing boiler modulating 00:05:08.27000:05:08.280 means it can modulate the water temp up 00:05:10.76000:05:10.770 and down based on what it's doing 00:05:12.61900:05:12.629 outside - whereas your old boiler it 00:05:15.17000:05:15.180 just goes from zero degrees to 186 00:05:18.14000:05:18.150 degrees and there's no modulating in 00:05:20.48000:05:20.490 between and the professional should have 00:05:23.62900:05:23.639 explained to the homeowners you need are 00:05:25.67000:05:25.680 you doing setbacks or you turning your 00:05:27.40900:05:27.419 thermostat off or are you running your 00:05:29.89900:05:29.909 boiler consistently and it's still not 00:05:31.70000:05:31.710 hot you know asking the right questions 00:05:33.37900:05:33.389 educating the customer about how these 00:05:35.05900:05:35.069 boiler works no instead the Installer 00:05:37.27900:05:37.289 came out and disconnected the outdoor 00:05:39.46900:05:39.479 reset what the outdoor reset is it's a 00:05:42.26000:05:42.270 thermometer in a temperature gauge that 00:05:44.60000:05:44.610 communicates with the computer and yes 00:05:46.70000:05:46.710 this freakin boiler has a computer 00:05:48.17000:05:48.180 inside - what the temperature is outside 00:05:50.60000:05:50.610 and then the boiler makes a decision 00:05:53.02900:05:53.039 based on the temperature outside what 00:05:55.49000:05:55.500 the water temp in the home will be in 00:05:57.83000:05:57.840 order to heat the house what did that 00:06:01.18900:06:01.199 Installer came and disconnected that so 00:06:03.46900:06:03.479 now this boiler turned into the old 00:06:06.08000:06:06.090 school basically cast-iron boiler - 00:06:09.35000:06:09.360 where you turn it on and it gets the 00:06:10.85000:06:10.860 radiators or whatever your emitters are 00:06:12.92000:06:12.930 to a hundred and eighty-six degrees and 00:06:15.68000:06:15.690 things get hot in 15 minutes the house 00:06:17.51000:06:17.520 is warm well what's the point of having 00:06:20.54000:06:20.550 a high-efficiency boiler if you're just 00:06:23.68900:06:23.699 going to be using it the same way you 00:06:25.45900:06:25.469 used your old boiler and what it what a 00:06:27.95000:06:27.960 tragedy and I suspect that this is 00:06:30.14000:06:30.150 happening a lot I've had tech people out 00:06:33.14000:06:33.150 here and professionals out here I 00:06:34.43000:06:34.440 actually had this boiler completely 00:06:36.64900:06:36.659 repipe because it was installed 00:06:37.93900:06:37.949 completely wrong the professional that 00:06:40.12900:06:40.139 installed 00:06:40.76000:06:40.770 - see unit did not size it properly for 00:06:43.40000:06:43.410 the house and did not pipe it properly 00:06:45.10000:06:45.110 luckily they did leave the manual behind 00:06:47.36000:06:47.370 so me being the type of person I am that 00:06:49.96900:06:49.979 likes to tinker with things and 00:06:51.20000:06:51.210 understand how and why they work I broke 00:06:53.51000:06:53.520 out the manual and realized this thing 00:06:55.99900:06:56.009 is in pipe properly so I've had 00:06:58.01000:06:58.020 professionals out here a few times and 00:07:00.64000:07:00.650 the times I've had people out here I'm 00:07:03.46900:07:03.479 surprised at how over the last three 00:07:06.29000:07:06.300 years of me studying hydronic heating 00:07:08.30000:07:08.310 that there's still a lot of not there's 00:07:12.32000:07:12.330 still a real lack of understanding from 00:07:14.51000:07:14.520 the professional side on how these 00:07:15.86000:07:15.870 things work and how they're supposed to 00:07:17.21000:07:17.220 work 00:07:17.60000:07:17.610 and they're it's no wonder that a 00:07:19.58000:07:19.590 consumer is having these installed it 00:07:21.52900:07:21.539 isn't realizing any savings is because 00:07:23.96000:07:23.970 it was installed wrong and they're using 00:07:25.64000:07:25.650 it wrong okay so let's just quickly go 00:07:28.82000:07:28.830 back to why this thing is called a high 00:07:31.04000:07:31.050 efficiency unit its high efficiency 00:07:32.83900:07:32.849 because it can do modulation and cut and 00:07:36.37900:07:36.389 it's a condensing unit for the sake of 00:07:39.08000:07:39.090 making things not very complicated let's 00:07:41.33000:07:41.340 just talk about the modulation that just 00:07:43.55000:07:43.560 means this boiler can decide what the 00:07:46.37000:07:46.380 water temperature will be where your old 00:07:48.14000:07:48.150 boiler couldn't okay so when it looks 00:07:51.23000:07:51.240 outside and it says it's 40 degrees 00:07:52.99900:07:53.009 outside it can say I'm only going to 00:07:55.21900:07:55.229 heat the water to a hundred degrees 00:07:57.10000:07:57.110 common sense tells you that it takes a 00:08:00.58900:08:00.599 lot less energy and fuel to heat water 00:08:02.93000:08:02.940 to a hundred degrees than it does to a 00:08:05.18000:08:05.190 hundred and eighty-six degrees so that's 00:08:07.37000:08:07.380 where your twenty to thirty percent 00:08:09.45900:08:09.469 savings and fuel come in however if 00:08:12.70900:08:12.719 you're turning the boiler off for eight 00:08:15.74000:08:15.750 hours in expecting a hundred degrees 100 00:08:19.76000:08:19.770 degree water to heat your home in ten 00:08:21.37900:08:21.389 minutes you're going to be very 00:08:23.14900:08:23.159 disappointed because it's not going to 00:08:24.49900:08:24.509 work these boilers again are designed to 00:08:27.01900:08:27.029 run cooler water temps for longer 00:08:29.48000:08:29.490 periods of time 00:08:30.37900:08:30.389 very very simple stuff but if you're not 00:08:33.05000:08:33.060 educated on it and if you had a crappy 00:08:35.26900:08:35.279 HVAC guy not explained this to you you 00:08:38.06000:08:38.070 need to find a different company to work 00:08:40.13000:08:40.140 with for your home heating needs so I'm 00:08:43.76000:08:43.770 really passionate about this and I could 00:08:45.65000:08:45.660 literally go on for a couple hours on 00:08:47.69000:08:47.700 hydronic heating because I think it's an 00:08:49.85000:08:49.860 awesome awesome way to heat your home 00:08:51.85000:08:51.860 it's hypoallergenic 00:08:54.38000:08:54.390 a lot of duct work like you do with 00:08:55.94000:08:55.950 forced-air it's very easy to run copper 00:08:58.19000:08:58.200 and pecs wherever you need it and 00:09:01.12000:09:01.130 there's so many ways to set them up and 00:09:03.50000:09:03.510 there's so many options it's just a 00:09:04.85000:09:04.860 really great way especially when you 00:09:08.09000:09:08.100 want to get into like radiant heating 00:09:09.68000:09:09.690 and in-floor heat I mean there is no 00:09:12.05000:09:12.060 more comfortable type of heat than 00:09:15.25000:09:15.260 radiant in-floor heat and these 00:09:18.17000:09:18.180 high-efficiency boilers work really well 00:09:20.39000:09:20.400 with radiant heat because again it's low 00:09:23.33000:09:23.340 water temp running continuously right 00:09:25.97000:09:25.980 and if you have a nice slab with pecs 00:09:28.97000:09:28.980 underneath and you're heating that slab 00:09:30.53000:09:30.540 up it just heats the whole room up nice 00:09:32.93000:09:32.940 and evenly and it lasts a long time but 00:09:36.11000:09:36.120 you can't turn it off for eight hours 00:09:38.39000:09:38.400 and expect you're going to heat up a big 00:09:41.51000:09:41.520 basement slab with ninety degree water 00:09:44.33000:09:44.340 in your excuse me I will swore in 00:09:46.73000:09:46.740 about twenty minutes it's not going to 00:09:48.53000:09:48.540 happen it's going to take two three 00:09:49.79000:09:49.800 hours to eat that thing back up again so 00:09:52.22000:09:52.230 it's just a tragedy because these units 00:09:54.11000:09:54.120 are really awesome these high-efficiency 00:09:55.76000:09:55.770 boilers are awesome but very few few 00:09:58.22000:09:58.230 service professionals know how to 00:09:59.60000:09:59.610 install them and they're not educating 00:10:01.88000:10:01.890 their customers that there is no more 00:10:03.86000:10:03.870 instant gratification that if you want 00:10:05.81000:10:05.820 to run these properly you need to run 00:10:07.58000:10:07.590 them all the time and run them longer 00:10:09.86000:10:09.870 and your house will be comfortable it'll 00:10:12.29000:10:12.300 be a nice steady temperature in your 00:10:13.82000:10:13.830 house but you can't turn your thermostat 00:10:15.59000:10:15.600 off for five or six hours and expect 00:10:18.38000:10:18.390 that you're going to be able to recover 00:10:19.88000:10:19.890 from that temperature drop in a short 00:10:22.04000:10:22.050 amount of time so I might do another 00:10:25.16000:10:25.170 video on this because there's a lot of 00:10:26.57000:10:26.580 topics I'd like to talk about on high 00:10:29.72000:10:29.730 efficiency boilers it's just too much to 00:10:32.69000:10:32.700 be able to fit into a short video but I 00:10:35.06000:10:35.070 am going to put a couple links in the 00:10:37.19000:10:37.200 description of videos that I want you to 00:10:39.35000:10:39.360 watch so if you have a high-efficiency 00:10:41.21000:10:41.220 boiler and you're having problems 00:10:43.42000:10:43.430 realizing the savings you were promised 00:10:46.06000:10:46.070 I want you to watch these videos and 00:10:49.58000:10:49.590 then also - I'll put a link in the 00:10:51.29000:10:51.300 description for a forum a heating forum 00:10:54.50000:10:54.510 where there's some guys on there these 00:10:56.12000:10:56.130 heating professionals that are that are 00:10:58.49000:10:58.500 just awesome they understand how these 00:11:00.29000:11:00.300 things work how they're supposed to work 00:11:01.82000:11:01.830 how you're supposed to communicate with 00:11:03.62000:11:03.630 the consumer to get them to change their 00:11:05.63000:11:05.640 habits and their behaviors and how they 00:11:07.16000:11:07.170 relate to their home he 00:11:08.24000:11:08.250 and they understand that and they can 00:11:10.13000:11:10.140 help you they can answer your questions 00:11:11.60000:11:11.610 and it's there's a huge asset if you're 00:11:14.30000:11:14.310 running into issues with your with your 00:11:16.76000:11:16.770 new boiler so I'll put those links in 00:11:19.04000:11:19.050 the description and if you have 00:11:20.48000:11:20.490 questions for me I could probably try to 00:11:22.40000:11:22.410 answer some of those questions because 00:11:23.93000:11:23.940 over the years I've kind of picked up a 00:11:25.55000:11:25.560 lot of info on hydronic heating how it 00:11:28.58000:11:28.590 works why it works how it works the best 00:11:30.86000:11:30.870 and I can try to answer your questions 00:11:33.17000:11:33.180 too but wanted to make a quick video 00:11:35.78000:11:35.790 because there's not a lot out there on 00:11:37.34000:11:37.350 YouTube and I know that there's a lot of 00:11:39.89000:11:39.900 people that are not realizing their 00:11:41.69000:11:41.700 their fuel savings with with the 00:11:43.91000:11:43.920 high-efficiency boiler that they thought 00:11:46.01000:11:46.020 they were and they're not realizing 00:11:48.02000:11:48.030 their comfort their comfort is the 00:11:50.39000:11:50.400 primary concern for a customer and if 00:11:52.94000:11:52.950 they're not warm and comfortable it's a 00:11:54.80000:11:54.810 failure okay and then secondary to 00:11:57.56000:11:57.570 comfort is also as always you know 00:11:59.30000:11:59.310 saving money and that's great but we 00:12:00.86000:12:00.870 want our customers to be comfortable 00:12:02.30000:12:02.310 first and foremost and it's not 00:12:04.34000:12:04.350 happening for a lot of people with these 00:12:06.05000:12:06.060 high-efficiency installations so thanks 00:12:09.08000:12:09.090 for watching I get a little off-topic 00:12:10.70000:12:10.710 than what I normally do but I'm really 00:12:12.17000:12:12.180 passionate about this and there needs to 00:12:14.24000:12:14.250 be more content on YouTube about a 00:12:16.67000:12:16.680 high-efficiency heating as it relates to 00:12:19.07000:12:19.080 boilers and everything everything to do 00:12:22.07000:12:22.080 with that so again if you have comments 00:12:23.99000:12:24.000 leave them below check out the links and 00:12:25.85000:12:25.860 you guys have a great day and girls
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